NPC - news, injuries etc
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@taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
@Stargazer guess this year there wont be any need for them to squeeze in the weeks...could probably have tried out a full RR of everyone plays everyone
The other thing about it, is you assume ABs are likely to be involved a bit too, given right now, internationals up in the air.
As stated earlier, a full Mitre 10 Cup with semis and a final would have the season finish on 19 December which is far too late.
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Fuck it, the players have had two months off already, with minimal training possible, so if they play SR Aoteroa and then play a full round robin NPC until a week before Xmas, who cares? Harden the fuck up. They'll then have a couple of weeks off, like the rest of us, and get back to work. Like the rest of us.
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NZR don't need to commission a report - they are aware of the financial status of the provincial unions, because the unions have to file their financial reports (balance sheets etc) every year to them as NZR inspect them to ensure the salary cap has not been breached.
In the past NZR has even bailed out unions with loans like Waikato, Otago, Southland, Ta$man, Wairarapa Bush
The financial results and viability of the provincial unions are even available to the average punter like all of us when Deloittes annually publish their survey of the provincial unions.
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@Number-10 said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
NZR don't need to commission a report - they are aware of the financial status of the provincial unions, because the unions have to file their financial reports (balance sheets etc) every year to them as NZR inspect them to ensure the salary cap has not been breached.
I'm being somewhat flippant. The report that came out around 2009 pretty clearly spelled out a 14 team top flight was not viable and identified the best candidates to drop. The economic reality in the decade since has only made the situation worse. While other unions made radical improvements in the past decade like BOP & Ta$man it is really disappointing to see Northland and Southland cap in hand yet again. Ditto Harbour.
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@rotated said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
I'm being somewhat flippant. The report that came out around 2009 pretty clearly spelled out a 14 team top flight was not viable and identified the best candidates to drop. The economic reality in the decade since has only made the situation worse. While other unions made radical improvements in the past decade like BOP & Ta$man it is really disappointing to see Northland and Southland cap in hand yet again. Ditto Harbour.
giuven the doctored report you allude to actually recommended Southland to stay up and Northland and Ta$man go down, unsure why you would bring it up, AGAIN.
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@taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
giuven the doctored report you allude to actually recommended Southland to stay up and Northland and Ta$man go down, unsure why you would bring it up, AGAIN.
Because it is for the most part the same franchises again and again. Do we have to do the same song and dance every decade?
Southland were right on the cusp and on-field performance was weighted heavily and they were in a purple patch. Less so now. Ta$man has benefited from systemic changes to the relationship between provinces and franchises.
I take no pleasure in seeing any union in the mire but if this is a pathway to a coherent 10-12 team top flight then so be it. These provinces still have a place at Heartland level.
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@rotated said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
@taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
giuven the doctored report you allude to actually recommended Southland to stay up and Northland and Ta$man go down, unsure why you would bring it up, AGAIN.
Because it is for the most part the same franchises again and again. Do we have to do the same song and dance every decade?
Southland were right on the cusp and on-field performance was weighted heavily and they were in a purple patch. Less so now. Ta$man has benefited from systemic changes to the relationship between provinces and franchises.
I take no pleasure in seeing any union in the mire but if this is a pathway to a coherent 10-12 team top flight then so be it. These provinces still have a place at Heartland level.
Ta$man have benefited also from being a NZRU investment due to population growth and geographical desire for a top tier team to be cemented in. Follow that up with a nice earner from hosting an AB test and they are now set.
I don't see Northland or Southland being given these earners while Naki and NH have had a hand as well.
CM usually get the 'game of three halves'. Surprisingly BOP are in the cold.In the last 10 years AB tests outside of the 4 main centres
2010 Taranaki (Ireland)
2011 Waikato (Japan)
2012 Waikato (Ireland)
2013 Taranaki (France) and Waikato (Arg)
2014 Waikato (England), Hawkes Bay (Arg)
2015 None
2016 Waikato (Arg)
2017 Taranaki (Arg), North Harbour (SA)
2018 Ta$man (Arg)
2019 Waikato (Tonga)So Waikato have been well propped up, Naki were also getting hand. HB, Ta$man and NH thrown the odd bone.
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@Crucial Whangarei and Rotorua hosted a Lions game in 2017 so that should have generated some income. All host unions still need to pay NZR a fee so the larger the stadium the more profit you make.
I am surprised that NH has financial problems because of their population base.
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@Bovidae also had 2 x RWC games up here.
TBH, up until this event, my understanding is NRU had been operating well within thier means, so assuming sponsor $$$ have dried up, I believe they were in the middle of re-negotiating thier gear sponsor too, so that wouldnt have helped.
'naki have gone from being one of the more flush unions to one in a deep hole.
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@taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
@Bovidae also had 2 x RWC games up here.
TBH, up until this event, my understanding is NRU had been operating well within thier means, so assuming sponsor $$$ have dried up, I believe they were in the middle of re-negotiating thier gear sponsor too, so that wouldnt have helped.
'naki have gone from being one of the more flush unions to one in a deep hole.
I suspect that RWC games have a different gate arrangement.
Isn't Naki in trouble due to the stadium problems? On the brink since at least last year?
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@Crucial said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
@taniwharugby said in Mitre 10 Cup - news, injuries etc:
@Bovidae also had 2 x RWC games up here.
TBH, up until this event, my understanding is NRU had been operating well within thier means, so assuming sponsor $$$ have dried up, I believe they were in the middle of re-negotiating thier gear sponsor too, so that wouldnt have helped.
'naki have gone from being one of the more flush unions to one in a deep hole.
I suspect that RWC games have a different gate arrangement.
Isn't Naki in trouble due to the stadium problems? On the brink since at least last year?
Yeah, I think that's it.
