Exodus 2017
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@Pot-Hale said in Exodus 2017:
This question may have been asked already, but I don't recall it.
Why doesn't NZRU make AB Maori or other A team equivalent as first cap status?
Junior All Blacks locks in your eligibility. It's our "A" team. Ignore the "junior" tag, it has no reference to age.
I don't think a Maori team should affect eligibility, it's not our second team.
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@Pot-Hale NZ A or JAB are tied, but Maori isn't, in theory there might be someone who might be the 2nd best in a position, may not be Maori, so would not play and technically be uncapped.
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@gollum said in Exodus 2017:
@Milk said in Exodus 2017:
Didn't he have that shocker of a game last year when he would probably would have been on the fringe?
I think, like most Chiefs players that get hyped to all shit on here then go overseas when it dawns on them they are a mile from the ABs but can earn good coin offshore, that he was probably only "on the fringe" if you were a Chiefs fan...
No question if 5 or 6 guys got injured he might have had a shot, but thats not on the fringe. You could make a great Chiefs team out of players Chiefs fans were certain would be All Blacks. A shithouse ABs team, but a really good Chiefs team. For all the shit the Saders get for hyping their players they are a mile off the Chiefs guys..
Err .. yeah ok. Jeez you talk some bollocks sometimes Smeagol.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2017:
@Pot-Hale NZ A or JAB are tied, but Maori isn't, in theory there might be someone who might be the 2nd best in a position, may not be Maori, so would not play and technically be uncapped.
I think you may have that slightly wrong @taniwharugby
The WR rules are that you nominate your second team. Your top team (ABs), nominated second (I think still JABs) and 7s define eligibility locks. -
@Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:
@Pot-Hale said in Exodus 2017:
@Billy-Tell said in Exodus 2017:
He's an excellent super rugby player. Just not quite good enough to play for nz. Would probably star on the wing for Ireland...
Feeling a bit waspish today, BT?
Nah not really. I would have him on the wing for Ireland had of Earls, Trimble, Dave Kearney, and possibly Zebo.
He's the kind of player who would already have 30 caps for the Scots. Ireland tends to wait until their wingers are at least 25 before handing out the caps though, so might not have so many there.
It's a good signing for Leinster but fckin ridiculous if he trots out for Ireland in 3 years.
Ahead of Visser, Maitland and Seymour? Pfffft. I think not.
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@Crucial what is wrong? Maori don't get them tied to NZ, JABs (or NZ A when they called them that) does...?
When was the last time the JABs or NZ A played?
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@gollum said in Exodus 2017:
I'm pretty sure TNW & Lowe were both heavily pushed on here last year, Lowe probably got more hype last year than the idea Dagg would get switched to 15.
For all the shit the Saders get for once thinking Hamilton was a potential AB, they do have a far better strike rate.
Hamilton was an All Black! Scored a test try as well. I believe Kirwan was supposed to eat his hat over ABSH.
I doubt Lowe was a million miles away from the ABs. Rennie himself said he expected James would make it and Reunion had him in the frame at one point. Why not? He's big, fast and skillful - and still young. However, with the emergence of Ioane and NMS fit again, he's further down the queue - at least five capped wings ahead of him.
Nonetheless, it annoys me. And yet another Ta$man player lost overseas via the Chiefs.
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Thanks for clarifying. So it's Junior AB that can cap them. Have they ever toured with Senior AB in November? Would be a good way of locking in a number of players each year. Get them to play tests against Georgia, Portugal, Tonga, Canada, etc.
Or has that been done? Maybe NZRU could hire a stadium for these matches in one location. If they're the A team, then tests against Wolfounds, Saxons or new Wales A team could be arranged.
In fact some of the A team players wouldn't have to travel that far...
Gibson Park
Saiili
Piutau
McCartney
Aki
Lowe.....
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2017:
@Crucial what is wrong? Maori don't get them tied to NZ, JABs (or NZ A when they called them that) does...?
When was the last time the JABs or NZ A played?
Just that JABs and NZ A are different teams. Only one of them (I think JABs) is the designated second.
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@Crucial ah I see, what I meant was they were for all intents and purposes the same team, I thought it used to be NZ A then got changed to JABs and I don't think they ever both played same year, and JABs haven't played for maybe 5 years?
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I think Lowe probably saw the re-signings of NMS, Dagg and Ben Smith, Julian Savea is signed through to 2019 (i think?) and Naholo likely to stick around and saw the writing on the wall.
He's a very effective Super Rugby player but probably doesn't have quite the level for ABs, will be a big loss for the Chiefs/ Ta$man.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2017:
@Crucial what is wrong? Maori don't get them tied to NZ, JABs (or NZ A when they called them that) does...?
When was the last time the JABs or NZ A played?
I had a feeling (could be wrong ... it's happened when I overhype Chiefs players) that NZR had nominated Maori ABs as second team at some stage.
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@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
@booboo I don't think that NZR would use the Maori as the second team because it would not capture any of the non-Maori elligible players.
@Bovidae as I said there's more than a small chance I'm wrong, but I seem to recall they may have done that in years when there was no JAB/NZA.
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@gollum said in Exodus 2017:
I'm pretty sure TNW & Lowe were both heavily pushed on here last year, Lowe probably got more hype last year than the idea Dagg would get switched to 15.
For all the shit the Saders get for once thinking Hamilton was a potential AB, they do have a far better strike rate.
Rancid bait.
TNW wasn't even playing in NZ last year, he was playing XVs in Japan and Sevens for Samoa. If anything, Chiefs fans tend to shit on him far more than anyone else.
Lowe was getting hyped early last season because he started the season fantastically, Savea was playing like shit and Naholo was always injured. His form fell off later in the season and there was a lot less talk of him as a result.
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From the All Blacks website:
The Junior All Blacks are considered New Zealand's 'second XV' after the Test side, with no age or genealogy restrictions other than the player being eligible for international selection. The first such team played under the guise of an Under 23 team, with future All Blacks legend Sir Wilson Whineray captaining a squad to Japan in 1958, with this age-grade side playing their last match in 1984. The Junior All Blacks, who first played officially in 2005, claimed titles in the 2006, 2007 and 2009 World Rugby Pacific Nations Cup – the latter of which was the last time the squad assembled (as of 2014). For official purposes this team is not considered defunct ...The New Zealand "A" team was a development team. This is what the intro to an article on the website of the NZ Rugby Museum says in an article about a NZ Development team touring Canada:
In 1990 a New Zealand Development team made a five match end of season tour of Canada. They were the first team to carry this title but their role appeared very similar to that of New Zealand Emerging Players who had toured internally in 1985 and 1986. Another Development team toured Argentina in 1994 and during the 1990s further NZRU teams were fielded: New Zealand XVs in 1991,92,93, New Zealand “B” in 1991 and New Zealand “A” in 1997,99 and 2000.New Zealand Rugby Museum
Revel in Rugby and all its heritage Visit the iconic New Zealand Rugby Museum in Palmerston North, home to the world's first museum dedicated to the oval ball. You'll be rewarded with a trip back in time exploring the rich history and folklore of New Zealand's national game, discovering the
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About James Lowe's reasons to sign with Leinster:
Departing winger James Lowe has cited his place in the pecking order of wingers in New Zealand rugby as his reason for signing with Irish giants Leinster and says he hasn’t yet considered the possibility of suiting up for Ireland. The 24-year-old has been on the fringes of national selection for several seasons and the national selectors had been in regular contact with Lowe who could see a long list of players ahead of him in the pecking order. "Re-signing Izzy [Israel Dagg], and Bender [Ben Smith], you've got Jules [Savea], Waisake [Naholo, Rieko [Ioane], Damien [McKenzie], Melani [Nanai], I mean the list keeps on going," Lowe said. Lowe was also diagnosed with Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis, a condition that left him bedridden. That and the list of injuries he's accrued during his career played into his decision to cash in while he still could. "I mean it's a scary prospect thinking it could all be over very quickly, so I guess in a way, especially with my arthritis and I keep on breaking as it is anyway, it was an awesome opportunity that came up and hopefully if I'm smart enough I'll be able to set myself up well." And while New Zealand Rugby, the Chiefs, and the Ta$man Mako$ were keen to keep him, the money from Leinster was significantly better than what NZR were offering."I guess there was a gap, yeah." Lowe doesn't have any ancestral ties with Europe and the prospect of qualifying for Ireland on residency in three years' time hasn't crossed his mind. "That's not at the forefront, I haven't even played for Leinster yet, so one step at a time." Lowe will play the remainder of the Super Rugby season with the Chiefs as well as the Mitre 10 Cup campaign with the Mako$ before departing for Ireland. Newshub. -
@booboo said in Exodus 2017:
@Bovidae said in Exodus 2017:
@booboo I don't think that NZR would use the Maori as the second team because it would not capture any of the non-Maori elligible players.
@Bovidae as I said there's more than a small chance I'm wrong, but I seem to recall they may have done that in years when there was no JAB/NZA.
You are definitely wrong.
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A more in-depth interview with Lowe about his health being part of his reasons for heading to Leinster. The guy's had it tough, no doubt, but it reads oddly for a guy moving to a new club to talk about 'breaking down' and having a slow recovery from injury.
If I was Leinster management reading this, I'd be having second thoughts about a three-year contract.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/90126907/james-lowe-to-join-leinster
