It's Hammerlander time

Billy Tell

Ok I'm in the minority. 
As I adhere to the principles of democracy I accept the ruling of the masses. 
Cut 'n' paste it is. 
But think of the virtual trees.

Smudge

As a (borderline) member of the fourth estate, I would prefer any stories posted to be accompanied by links to the original publishers. Just a matter of courtesy. But I would suspect I'm in an even smaller minority than Billy Tell.

SouthernMan

ahhh members of the fourth estate, what do they know.

Smudge

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ahhh members of the fourth estate, what do they know.
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Slightly less than former members of the fourth estate.

taniwharugby

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As a (borderline) member of the fourth estate, I would prefer any stories posted to be accompanied by links to the original publishers. Just a matter of courtesy. But I would suspect I'm in an even smaller minority than Billy Tell. 
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Yeah I try to do it that way...every now and then, there isnt much to be gained by the whole article so I post an extract from it with the link.

booboo

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My mini pet hate on this forum: cutting and pasting newspaper articles in their entirety. 
Just paste the link: if I'm interested I'll click. If I'm not I don't get finger arthritis scrolling down. 
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Nup. Makes it easier to read. Stops the clicks on the ckick bait trolls. Means you don't have to switch between windows. Suck it up

booboo

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As a (borderline) member of the fourth estate, I would prefer any stories posted to be accompanied by links to the original publishers. Just a matter of courtesy. But I would suspect I'm in an even smaller minority than Billy Tell.</blockquote>
 
Yep. Agree entirely.

Provincial Stalwart

Does Brown's one year signing clear the way for Joe Schmidt to take over in 2018?

Stargazer

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As a (borderline) member of the fourth estate, I would prefer any stories posted to be accompanied by links to the original publishers. Just a matter of courtesy. But I would suspect I'm in an even smaller minority than Billy Tell. 
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Replying because this discussion is in response to an article that I quoted:
 
I indicated clearly that the article came from the Stuff website. I didn't see the need to include the link because I quoted the whole article, including the title, time and date. If I had quoted only a part of the article (which I sometimes do), I would have added the link. No author was mentioned above/in the article, otherwise I would have included that name in the quote as well.
 
I do sometimes quote articles because I find links annoying if I don't know what article/topic it is directing me to. I tend not to click on them, unless I know it leads to an article on a topic/player etc I'm interested in. From reading on the Fern, I understand that I'm not the only one, which is confirmed by some of the responses above.

Smudge

As I say, I'm not too worried about it, but if anyone (sports clubs etc) asks us if they can use one of our stories on their website, our general stance is that we would appreciate the link being posted along with the story, as it at least gives the reader the opportunity to click through to our website. Which, in turn, might help our online advertising by the most minimal of margins, therefore assisting in paying a smidgen towards our giant salaries. Chances are the reader won't click on the link, but at least the option is there.

sparky

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Provincial Stalwart" data-cid="585943" data-time="1465466678">Does Brown's one year signing clear the way for Joe Schmidt to take over in 2018?</blockquote>
 
That is my guess.

canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Provincial Stalwart" data-cid="585943" data-time="1465466678">Does Brown's one year signing clear the way for Joe Schmidt to take over in 2018?</blockquote>Hammer and McLeod signed until 2019? So the new coach will be stuck with those two as assistants for a season. Unless Hammer is being groomed to ruin I mean take over another super franchise?

darreninusa

Hammett was the worse win / loss in Canes history.
Got rid of several of our favorites, and still produced terrible results.
As soon as he is replaced we make the finals.
Failed overseas.
 
How on earth does he get employed again? Why do people defend him?
 
I'm just thrilled that he is nowhere near the Canes.

Brian9848

It's a bit disappointing that Tony Brown will not back himself to be a Head Coach beyond one year. It's not exactly a confident move that he is willing to then become an assistant again, and not just willing but wants to return to be somebody else's assistant after having head coaching responsibility.

taniwharugby

heard him on the radio this morning, not convinced he really wanted to take the reins still, but had his arm twisted to do so.
 
He said he wanted to be the best assistant in the world...I suspect his loyalty to the Highlanders has been a key factor in his decisions, and if not for that loyalty, he may have buggared off after this season.
 
People have often said they thought Hammer would be better suited to an assistants role, he now has that for at least a year.
 
I thought Jon Preston was part of the current coaching set-up down there, is he still to be involved?

rotated

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It's a pretty realistic assessment of his position. A poor 3 year stint with a NZ Super franchise will pretty much cap your ceiling at ITM Cup level in this country until the end of time (unless you are good friends with Shag I guess). With a one year stint Brown gets the experience without too much judgement if they have a down year. If they have an up year he is a genius.
 
It's really a win-win for him either way. Keep plugging away and then come back over-prepared like Rennie was, Schmidt (and eventually Cotter) will be and then give the best audition you can.

Chris B.

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1. As soon as he is replaced we make the finals.
 
2. How on earth does he get employed again?
 
3. Why do people defend him?
 
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On (1), you don't think Hammer might just have made a small contribution there? Read that article I posted a week or so back with Conrad's extraordinary comments.
 
On (2), maybe, just maybe, people in the know think he has something to offer.
 
On (3), it's quite a lot of fun trolling embittered Canes fans. :)

Chris B.

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It's a bit disappointing that Tony Brown will not back himself to be a Head Coach beyond one year. It's not exactly a confident move that he is willing to then become an assistant again, and not just willing but wants to return to be somebody else's assistant after having head coaching responsibility.
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It's pretty strange that no-one seems keen to pick up the reins of the defending champions. Maybe the perception is that the only way is down and that's not the sort of stepping stone you need to be All Black coach.
 
I guess - three scenarios.
 
(i) They've got someone like Schmidt lined up to take over, but he's not going to be free in time for the 2017 season.
(ii) They're putting Tony in charge as a figurehead, in order to ease Hammer into the top job - thereby avoiding the PR meltdown of appointing him directly.
(iii) They really can't get anyone and are going to re-cast the net next year.
 
(iii) would be pretty strange - I'd have thought that anyone who applied for the Crusaders job would also put their hat in for the Highlanders. It's not like Super Head Coach jobs come up every day. But maybe they're not the plum jobs that we all imagine.

taniwharugby

Dunedin is pretty cold!

Nepia

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On (1), you don't think Hammer might just have made a small contribution there? Read that article I posted a week or so back with Conrad's extraordinary comments.
 
On (2), maybe, just maybe, people in the know think he has something to offer.
 
On (3), it's quite a lot of fun trolling embittered Canes fans. :)
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I thought (3) was more to do with the fact that you fluffed him like crazy when he got the job and you can't lose face by backing down now. ;)
 
On (2) of course he's got lots to offer, he's the hand grenade you throw in when you want to rebuild from rubble (even if you don't need to rebuild from rubble) ... unfortunately for the Canes as an organisation they didn't realise the blast would take out a huge chunk of the fanbase as well.
On (2) without tongue in cheek, from all reports he is a good assistant coach, maybe, if his ego can handle that then that's where he needs to focus his career goals.
 
 :gamer:

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