Australia v India
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Yeah pretty clearly grounded just before he flicked it up. Sensational athleticism though. Shame - would have loved kohli to get o golden duck there.
Kohli has such a weird record. Average in the high 40s is very good but not great. 30 centuries though is fantastic. There are 17 guys to have got to that mark, and him, Jayawardene and Cook are the only ones averaging under 50.
Jayawardene is only just (49.84) and was a bit of a flat track bully, while Cook took almost 300 innings to get there. Both fantastic players, but neither were close to having 'best of their generation' tags like Kohli does.
When you dig into Kohli's record, he is fantastic in India and in Australia (only just dipped under 50) and South Africa, while everywhere else is mid 40s or worse.
Basically, against tough opponents, in tough conditions he thrives, but in situations where other batters would cash in on 'easy' runs he doesn't, which holds his average back.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Australia v India:
@nzzp said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
India in disarray.
In saying that Kohli to score a double hundred today
right call for me. The bobble at the end was the issue.
Agree. Not sure what the Aussies are whiging about.
Keepers of the 'line'. They know cricket better than anyone. So clearly they're right
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@Cyclops said in Australia v India:
Yeah pretty clearly grounded just before he flicked it up. Sensational athleticism though. Shame - would have loved kohli to get o golden duck there.
Kohli has such a weird record. Average in the high 40s is very good but not great. 30 centuries though is fantastic. There are 17 guys to have got to that mark, and him, Jayawardene and Cook are the only ones averaging under 50.
Jayawardene is only just (49.84) and was a bit of a flat track bully, while Cook took almost 300 innings to get there. Both fantastic players, but neither were close to having 'best of their generation' tags like Kohli does.
When you dig into Kohli's record, he is fantastic in India and in Australia (only just dipped under 50) and South Africa, while everywhere else is mid 40s or worse.
Basically, against tough opponents, in tough conditions he thrives, but in situations where other batters would cash in on 'easy' runs he doesn't, which holds his average back.
I think declining hugely in test cricket overall in the last four years has held his average back.
Once he gets that 200 today his average will go up though
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
Gill throws his wicket away right before lunch
This Indian team is brainless
Agree.
If they could not drop sitters, they would have had a really good crack at winning that last test match.
Sounds like the Craps eh
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@Crazy-Horse said in Australia v India:
I can see Konstas becoming annoying to me. He's a cocky bastard.
I find most teenagers annoying.
Especially my own.
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
Smith managed that flick up to Marnus and then drops a sitter. "Erratic" much?
Line and length from this attack has been sensational. Webster bowled in the first session like - say - an allrounder?
Hope Marsh was taking notes
Steady on.
This guy averages 37 in both disciplines at FC level. So he’s a good batsman and an adequate bowler. All rounder is a term that gets thrown round way too much.
Then again it wouldn’t take much for him to be the next Keith Millar compared to how Marsh has gone of late.
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@MN5 said in Australia v India:
This guy averages 37 in both disciplines at FC level. So he’s a good batsman and an adequate bowler. All rounder is a term that gets thrown round way too much.
Those are career averages
I believe at the start of his first class career he was an off spinner the switched to medium pace about 5 years ago
The last 18 months he has been putting up all rounder numbers
In 2023-24 he had a break-out season topping the Sheffield Shield runscoring chart with 938 runs at 58.62. He also took 30 wickets at 29.30 to help Tasmania reach the Shield final. He became just the second player behind Sir Garfield Sobers, in 1963-64, to score more than 900 runs and take more than 30 wickets in the same Shield season.In addition in the recent Aus A vs India A matches he scored 61* in game 1 and 46* in game 2 whilst picking up 6 wickets in game 2
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
This guy averages 37 in both disciplines at FC level. So he’s a good batsman and an adequate bowler. All rounder is a term that gets thrown round way too much.
Those are career averages
The last 18 months he has been putting up all rounder numbers
In 2023-24 he had a break-out season topping the Sheffield Shield runscoring chart with 938 runs at 58.62. He also took 30 wickets at 29.30 to help Tasmania reach the Shield final. He became just the second player behind Sir Garfield Sobers, in 1963-64, to score more than 900 runs and take more than 30 wickets in the same Shield season.In addition in the recent Aus A vs India A matches he scored 61* in game 1 and 46* in game 2 whilst picking up 6 wickets in game 2
Fair enough. Definitely better than anything Marsh has done as I mentioned.
Jeepers, being compared to Sobers is ok huh ?
Has he started bowling more ? 148 wickets in 93 matches isn’t many. Assuming he’s turning the arm over more now ?
While Australia has provided a who’s who of amazing batsmen and bowlers over the last 20 years alone perhaps this reinforces they haven’t had a brilliant All Rounder for ages.
( finds some kiwi straws to clutch…..)
We’ve had three.
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@nzzp said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
We’ve had three.
Colin De Grandhomme? Opened the bowling a the MCG I believe
/tongue firmly in cheek...
#stillbetterthanmarsh
Jacob Oram had his moments too
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@nzzp said in Australia v India:
@MN5 I'll die on my 'Kallis was grossly underrated as an allrounder' hill here. His numbers were elite for both batting and bowling. And he did it forever.
He was just kinda boring
Who is underrating Kallis ?
In the Lara/Tendulkar/Ponting/Dravid league as a batsman and about as good as Chris Martin with the ball just for shits and gigs.
Extraordinary player.
No country has produced as many amazing all rounders as SA
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Oram was an odd player in that statistically he put up some impressive numbers but aesthetically I could never quite take to him - for such a big man his bowling action was so dainty and lacked the pace you would expect and his batting whilst effective was heavily reliant on slogging the ball to certain parts of the ground.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
Oram was an odd player in that statistically he put up some impressive numbers but aesthetically I could never quite take to him - for such a big man his bowling action was so dainty and lacked the pace you would expect and his batting whilst effective was heavily reliant on slogging the ball to certain parts of the ground.
Yeah his batting kinda regressed as I recall, he ended up batting nine in an ODI on one occasion.
I think James Franklin ( who did the reverse in that his bowling suffered while his batting improved slightly ) and Ian Butler ( who was promoted as a bit of a pinch hitter ) were ahead of him.
The Neesh is another who should have had a far longer test career, our answer to Stokes or so I thought
