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    wrote on last edited by Duluth
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    While it's obviously disappointing to not have Kane available from the start of the tour, it provides an opportunity for someone else to play a role in an important series.

    Technically true, but we're going to run into a bandsaw over there. It is going to be ugly.

    Oct 8, 2024  /  Sport

    Kane Williamson recovering from injury, Mark Chapman called up as cover

    Kane Williamson recovering from injury, Mark Chapman called up as cover

    Batsman Kane Williamson won't be on the plane with the rest of the Black Caps squad heading to India for the three test series.

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    Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

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    @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

    Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

    You mean hiding behind a bigger couch……

    Not only that Michael Bracewell is only available for ONE test !!!!!

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    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

    Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

    You mean hiding behind a bigger couch……

    Not only that Michael Bracewell is only available for ONE test !!!!!

    that maybe a good thing.

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    @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

    Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

    You mean hiding behind a bigger couch……

    Not only that Michael Bracewell is only available for ONE test !!!!!

    that maybe a good thing.

    Yeah I think you completely missed the sarcasm there.

    Bracewell is a Santner clone at test level.

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    Top order batting line up of…..

    Latham
    Conway
    Young
    Ravindra
    Mitchell
    Blundell

    …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

    But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

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    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

    Yikes! No Kane makes it officially Hiding Behind The Couch Time before a ball has even been bowled...

    You mean hiding behind a bigger couch……

    Not only that Michael Bracewell is only available for ONE test !!!!!

    that maybe a good thing.

    Yeah I think you completely missed the sarcasm there.

    Bracewell is a Santner clone at test level.

    Yeah not at test level in anyway.

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    @MN5 That promptly reminded me of Brian Clough - "We had a good team on paper. Unfortunately, the game was played on grass".

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    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    Top order batting line up of…..

    Latham
    Conway
    Young
    Ravindra
    Mitchell
    Blundell

    …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

    But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

    Looks like a collapse every time

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    @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    Top order batting line up of…..

    Latham
    Conway
    Young
    Ravindra
    Mitchell
    Blundell

    …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

    But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

    Looks like a collapse every time

    Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

    I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

    Is that true or did I imagine it ?

    Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

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    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    Top order batting line up of…..

    Latham
    Conway
    Young
    Ravindra
    Mitchell
    Blundell

    …..still looks pretty damn handy on paper. We’ve fielded a shitload worse……

    But one guy makes all the difference to that line up. In true NZ fashion you can guarantee a collapse or two at least

    Looks like a collapse every time

    Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

    I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

    Is that true or did I imagine it ?

    Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

    Yeah that happened

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    I doubt nz will make 200 in any of the 6 innings. And I'm expecting 'normal' pitches, not bunsens

    Didn't expect much from Kane anyway, tbh.

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    @Rapido said in Black Caps tour of India:

    I doubt nz will make 200 in any of the 6 innings. And I'm expecting 'normal' pitches, not bunsens

    Didn't expect much from Kane anyway, tbh.

    May as well cancel the tour then

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    I naively renewed sky sport app subscription before Sri Lanka series. Have already had a reminder in my calendar for a few weeks to cancelitr before it ticks over into the second month.

    My eyeballs will be spared this massacre.

    Hopefully Stead will be gone by the time I m next tempted to renew it

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    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

    I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

    Is that true or did I imagine it ?

    Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

    I don't think so. I reckon you're probably imagining it.

    Taylor scored ton in his 3rd test iirc , and he overlapped with Fleming. Plus Ryder tonning up on test debut at that time. Plus Guptill getting his early.

    I'd be surprised if we ever had a top 6 in that era minus any century maker.

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    @Rapido said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @Chris said in Black Caps tour of India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

    Here’s one for the stats nerds…….

    I’m fairly sure during our darkest days just before Ross Taylor made his debut that we fielded a top order with ZERO test centuries between them at one stage ? The only hundreds in the team belonged to McCullum and Vettori at 7 and 8.

    Is that true or did I imagine it ?

    Names like Papps, How, Fulton ( he did go on and get some ),

    I don't think so. I reckon you're probably imagining it.

    Taylor scored ton in his 3rd test iirc , and he overlapped with Fleming. Plus Ryder tonning up on test debut at that time. Plus Guptill getting his early.

    I'd be surprised if we ever had a top 6 in that era minus any century maker.

    Hmmmm I mentioned Papps, Fulton, How……add in Flynn, Redmond….did they ever all play together ?

    Maybe I am imagining it, it was definitely when Ryder and Taylor emerged and Fleming retired.

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    There was that series in Bangladesh where Vettori essentially had to bat at #5(?). That might have been close to that stat, but also technically ruled out by having to promote Dan.

    There was a phase around where the top six had very view tons, but it'd probably take a lot of scorecard scanning.

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    It never happened. NZ hasn't played all that many tests. If you bring up a list of every Test we have played and similar lists for Fleming and Taylor you don't need to check scorecards. One was ever present right through till the rise of Kane and the golden age

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    @Donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of India:

    There was that series in Bangladesh where Vettori essentially had to bat at #5(?). That might have been close to that stat, but also technically ruled out by having to promote Dan.

    There was a phase around where the top six had very view tons, but it'd probably take a lot of scorecard scanning.

    That match had 3 century makers in top 6 in first innings and 4 in second innings (where Vettori promoted himself to 4 and 4,5,6 dropped down a spot each meaning Flynn dropped to 7).

    Baz was batting at 5 that series as well as keeping. The other 2 being Taylor and Ryder.

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