All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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Not sure if it’s omen or not but I saw a real wallaby this morning 😀
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Not sure if it’s omen or not but I saw a real wallaby this morning 😀
Was it roadkill?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
If the logic is to give Barrett some time in case he has to cover an injury, then I can understand that. Or at least I could understand it if things had been going well and combinations had clicked.
I'm okay with the reasoning. He's just picked the wrong player
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Not sure if it’s omen or not but I saw a real wallaby this morning 😀
Was it roadkill?
Nah it was standing at the edge of the road as I drove towards it and hopped away into the bush as I got close .
No idea what that means 🤣
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Not sure if it’s omen or not but I saw a real wallaby this morning 😀
Was it roadkill?
Nah it was standing at the edge of the road as I drove towards it and hopped away into the bush as I got close .
No idea what that means 🤣
Only a 25 point win instead of 35?
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Not sure if it’s omen or not but I saw a real wallaby this morning 😀
Was it roadkill?
Nah it was standing at the edge of the road as I drove towards it and hopped away into the bush as I got close .
No idea what that means 🤣
Only a 25 point win instead of 35?
At this stage mate, as long as we finish the game with one point more than your lot, we should count ourselves fortunate
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B It's not so much the losses as the issues around them. The brainless rugby, inability to cope with pressure, ill discipline.
Given Razor was being pumped up big time by the media and a large contingent of fans the reluctance to implement change is massively disappointing.
The only really unexpected results were Arg1 and last weekend, but they were dire, and we were lulled into believing they would be a thing of the past. Also, if you are talking fine margins, it does swing both ways. We could be looking at a season record to date of W3 L5.
Personally, I find the constant campaigning to select overseas based players and effectively getting his excuses in early (before he even started in the role) a massive irritant. I don't want an AB coach to be a whingeing baitch.
I guess it's hard to change the habits of a lifetime (brainlessness, etc).
I guess I'm a bit less of a believer in giving the kids the keys to the limo. Some take to it like ducks to water, but there's always been plenty who need time and are best off being introduced into very soft landings. Too many kids when the shit is hitting the fan and they're looking at each other without a plan (e.g. RWC 2007, 2019). But, you could always try practicing what you preach and go into work on Monday and promote your new graduates into senior management positions (because of their energy and exciting new ideas) and set your senior managers to work doing the filing. It didn't work out that well for Eddie Jones!
Aside from which - compared with the team that played the RWC Final (which, with a bit of quibbling, most sane people thought was pretty much our best), we've made 14 changes to the 23 (a couple of which are positional). That's quite a bit of change 7 tests later.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B
The only really unexpected results were Arg1 and last weekend, but they were dire, and we were lulled into believing they would be a thing of the past. Also, if you are talking fine margins, it does swing both ways. We could be looking at a season record to date of W3 L5.I guess it was always going to be interesting to see whether Razor would turn out to be a miracle worker. I kind of suspected he wouldn't be, because: (a) I wasn't in the camp who thought Fozzie was a total moron; (b) we're in something of a re-building phase; and (c) the sort of soft team-building skills that are marketed as his greatest attribute aren't going to take hold overnight.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Aside from which - compared with the team that played the RWC Final (which, with a bit of quibbling, most sane people thought was pretty much our best), we've made 14 changes to the 23 (a couple of which are positional). That's quite a bit of change 7 tests later.
wait on, i know you're playing the straight guy here, but that is hugely overdoing it
if you take their current "top" side as evidenced by the week to week selections the teams are almost identical except where the player from 2023 left.
A change at left wing.
A change at bench halfback
A change at bench loose forward.
The 2nd back reserve has been a rotating name, so you could call that a change too.Otherwise it's changes for Mo'unga, Smith, Frizzell, Retallic, Whitelock and Laulala.
And given the extensive chat from the coaches, you would imagine that two of those guys would be in if they were allowed.
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@mariner4life I've miscounted - it's 13 changes - right wing is new, and Jordan has shifted to fullback. Aumua is the bench hooker.
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If we win this one I think most people will be happy heading to the EOYT.
We only just lost to a good SA side.
The only bad loss being Argentina I
I'm frustrated Proctor and Love haven't had more game time. The backline could certainly do with some more attacking options.
Hopefully we can find a quick 7. Lakai EOYT ? -
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
If we win this one I think most people will be happy heading to the EOYT.
We only just lost to a good SA side.
The only bad loss being Argentina I
I'm frustrated Proctor and Love haven't had more game time. The backline could certainly do with some more attacking options.
Hopefully we can find a quick 7. Lakai EOYT ?Then I'm in the minority.
The results are only OK - they really should have won one of those games in SA.
Our attack (early) looks good but we can't finish games strongly. The lack of points in the last 30 - as a pattern - is a huge concern.
That has to be addressed or we are going to get run over by teams.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
If we win this one I think most people will be happy heading to the EOYT.
We only just lost to a good SA side.
The only bad loss being Argentina I
I'm frustrated Proctor and Love haven't had more game time. The backline could certainly do with some more attacking options.
Hopefully we can find a quick 7. Lakai EOYT ?Then I'm in the minority.
The results are only OK - they really should have won one of those games in SA.
Our attack (early) looks good but we can't finish games strongly. The lack of points in the last 30 - as a pattern - is a huge concern.
That has to be addressed or we are going to get run over by teams.
#metoo. It's been a shit show with once again injury being our best selector. 50-0 in the last 20 is unacceptable. Razor had a ton of goodwill, he should've used it to grow the future, losses would be accepted. Instead we have cane, undropable Ardie, TJ, BB at ten, havili, and some of SR best players left right out
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@gt12 The last 20 minutes disappointing, no doubt.
On the other hand against a good SA side players like Williams, Vaai, Sititi, Ratima did real well, even exceeded expectations.
In hindsight perhaps even more new players like Perofeta, Love, Proctor, Sotutu should have been tested.
Certainly Caketin 2 feels like a senior send off
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@BerniesCorner the fact you started with "if we win" when we are playing the 10th ranked side at home shows what a shit show this season has been so far
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
If we win this one I think most people will be happy heading to the EOYT.
We only just lost to a good SA side.
The only bad loss being Argentina Inah I'm in the 'not happy' club. Dropping that home game was unforgiveable.
Reality is we sneaked home vs England, got run over twice at the back end of SA games (doing to us what we used to do to them) - and then looked awful in the second 40 vs Aus.
Some green shoots, but they could be hit by frost. We're on track to lose up 5-6 games this year .. and that is just unacceptable.
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I'll get my coat
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@gt12 agree mate, although it maybe fact, I can never accept where we lose a few tests in year as better than OK!
Not saying I don't understand the reality or anything, just how I always feel, any loss is not end of the world, but disappointing none the less.
One of reasons I don't go with the lets bring in all the young uns for the future, these are all still test matches! -
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Certainly Caketin 2 feels like a senior send off
Caketin 2: Wheelchairs of Destiny.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I'll get my coat
nah screw it I'll run a poll! See where the majority are
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@canefan RD ride the pine refresh, super sub
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
A hopefully healthy Ethan Blackadder on the blind and Will Jordan transitioning to fullback….
I can’t wait til @Bones reads this article
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The All Blacks marketing team are trying to make a big thing about this being "TJ Perenera's last start for the team."
I don't give a fuck.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Razor had a ton of goodwill, he should've used it to grow the future, losses would be accepted. Instead we have cane, undropable Ardie, TJ, BB at ten, havili, and some of SR best players left right out
That summarises my pissed-off feeling too. I think there's a real risk we'll have the worst of both worlds - wasted a year of potential development and lost a heap of games.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
hopefully healthy
"Hopefully Healthy" sounds like a good moniker for Blackadder
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Bloody great day in the nations beautiful capital today. Reasonably warm for Wellington ( I’ve got one of my less thick hoodies on today ) barely a breath of wind…..perfect for the All Blacks to either hammer the Wallabies or trip up yet again at the Caketin.
I’ve got the porterhouse and home brew ready for tonight !
Game fucken on !!!!!!
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Bloody great day in the nations beautiful capital today. Reasonably warm for Wellington ( I’ve got one of my less thick hoodies on today ) barely a breath of wind…..perfect for the All Blacks to either hammer the Wallabies or trip up yet again at the Caketin.
I’ve got the porterhouse and home brew ready for tonight !
Game fucken on !!!!!!
Enjoy
The steak 😉
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Exits will be interesting in this game. Something we have been unable to nail so far.
BB can be flakey with his exits. Has TJ managed a single box kick that hasn't been charged down in the RC? There is no Jordy there to offer support.
Our exit strategy is quite predictable based on those stats.
Do we have the tight five to smash our way out of the 22? Based on the metres per carry of our starting tight forwards I would say no.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Bloody great day in the nations beautiful capital today. Reasonably warm for Wellington ( I’ve got one of my less thick hoodies on today ) barely a breath of wind…..perfect for the All Blacks to either hammer the Wallabies or trip up yet again at the Caketin.
I’ve got the porterhouse and home brew ready for tonight !
Game fucken on !!!!!!
Enjoy
The steak 😉
I’ve shared some beer porn on the beer page, my latest one is outstanding
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
If we win this one I think most people will be happy heading to the EOYT.
We only just lost to a good SA side.
The only bad loss being Argentina I
I'm frustrated Proctor and Love haven't had more game time. The backline could certainly do with some more attacking options.
Hopefully we can find a quick 7. Lakai EOYT ?Then I'm in the minority.
The results are only OK - they really should have won one of those games in SA.
Our attack (early) looks good but we can't finish games strongly. The lack of points in the last 30 - as a pattern - is a huge concern.
That has to be addressed or we are going to get run over by teams.
#metoo. It's been a shit show with once again injury being our best selector. 50-0 in the last 20 is unacceptable. Razor had a ton of goodwill, he should've used it to grow the future, losses would be accepted. Instead we have cane, undropable Ardie, TJ, BB at ten, havili, and some of SR best players left right out
I think the majority of us were kind of expecting some kind of mass upheaval and innovation with the appointment of razor ,
But maybe we brought the hype got him totally wrong , I mean on reflection were the crusaders that innovative, or did they just do the basics better than their opposition?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
If we win this one I think most people will be happy heading to the EOYT.
We only just lost to a good SA side.
The only bad loss being Argentina I
I'm frustrated Proctor and Love haven't had more game time. The backline could certainly do with some more attacking options.
Hopefully we can find a quick 7. Lakai EOYT ?Then I'm in the minority.
The results are only OK - they really should have won one of those games in SA.
Our attack (early) looks good but we can't finish games strongly. The lack of points in the last 30 - as a pattern - is a huge concern.
That has to be addressed or we are going to get run over by teams.
#metoo. It's been a shit show with once again injury being our best selector. 50-0 in the last 20 is unacceptable. Razor had a ton of goodwill, he should've used it to grow the future, losses would be accepted. Instead we have cane, undropable Ardie, TJ, BB at ten, havili, and some of SR best players left right out
I think the majority of us were kind of expecting some kind of mass upheaval and innovation with the appointment of razor ,
But maybe we brought the hype got him totally wrong , I mean on reflection were the crusaders that innovative, or did they just do the basics better than their opposition?
Ruthless, played well as a team, never surrendered. Perhaps O'Gara added the innovation.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But maybe we brought the hype got him totally wrong , I mean on reflection were the crusaders that innovative, or did they just do the basics better than their opposition?
Sam Whitelock was an excellent coach
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
If we win this one I think most people will be happy heading to the EOYT.
We only just lost to a good SA side.
The only bad loss being Argentina I
I'm frustrated Proctor and Love haven't had more game time. The backline could certainly do with some more attacking options.
Hopefully we can find a quick 7. Lakai EOYT ?Then I'm in the minority.
The results are only OK - they really should have won one of those games in SA.
Our attack (early) looks good but we can't finish games strongly. The lack of points in the last 30 - as a pattern - is a huge concern.
That has to be addressed or we are going to get run over by teams.
#metoo. It's been a shit show with once again injury being our best selector. 50-0 in the last 20 is unacceptable. Razor had a ton of goodwill, he should've used it to grow the future, losses would be accepted. Instead we have cane, undropable Ardie, TJ, BB at ten, havili, and some of SR best players left right out
I think the majority of us were kind of expecting some kind of mass upheaval and innovation with the appointment of razor ,
But maybe we brought the hype got him totally wrong , I mean on reflection were the crusaders that innovative, or did they just do the basics better than their opposition?
Yeah, the last sentence, and the lack of strong competition in recent seasons.
The Canes and Blues have both improved massively since getting new coaches in.
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I thought the Crusaders got away with a lot of professional fouls under Robertson and Ryan - taking their play to the edge. Maybe it flys under the NZ teams giving the dominant team the benefit of the doubt but at test level the refs aren't buying it.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Exits will be interesting in this game. Something we have been unable to nail so far.
BB can be flakey with his exits. Has TJ managed a single box kick that hasn't been charged down in the RC? There is no Jordy there to offer support.
Our exit strategy is quite predictable based on those stats.
Do we have the tight five to smash our way out of the 22? Based on the metres per carry of our starting tight forwards I would say no.
I’d love to see the kick metre stats on those exits
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Exits will be interesting in this game. Something we have been unable to nail so far.
BB can be flakey with his exits. Has TJ managed a single box kick that hasn't been charged down in the RC? There is no Jordy there to offer support.
Our exit strategy is quite predictable based on those stats.
Do we have the tight five to smash our way out of the 22? Based on the metres per carry of our starting tight forwards I would say no.
I’d love to see the kick metre stats on those exits
Am not sure I would.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Exits will be interesting in this game. Something we have been unable to nail so far.
BB can be flakey with his exits. Has TJ managed a single box kick that hasn't been charged down in the RC? There is no Jordy there to offer support.
Our exit strategy is quite predictable based on those stats.
Do we have the tight five to smash our way out of the 22? Based on the metres per carry of our starting tight forwards I would say no.
I’d love to see the kick metre stats on those exits
Am not sure I would.
Comparing players' exit kicks stats would be interesting.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
I thought the Crusaders got away with a lot of professional fouls under Robertson and Ryan - taking their play to the edge. Maybe it flys under the NZ teams giving the dominant team the benefit of the doubt but at test level the refs aren't buying it.
Hey that's my fucking drum!
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