All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But, firstly, Richie's got to take the jersey back and even assuming he does, maybe DMac really wants to win a RWC.
Maybe this time Richie wants to?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
ALB and Proctor looked great on attack - I know it is Fiji but it is all about the combos and I'd like to see them there again.
I can't give much weight to a sparkling performance against Fiji sorry
EDIT: It would justify another look against better opposition. ALB has been given a crack, Proctor still waits
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Most of the yellows in the last string of tests have been team yellows.
Our team is ill disciplined and can't seem to read the room at the appropriate time.
Can’t understand why Razor left the invisibility cloak in Sith HQ?
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nostrildamusreplied to canefan on 25 Sept 2024, 07:15 last edited by nostrildamus 25 Sept 2024, 07:32
@canefan well someone had to say it...
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
"hey, we're scoring lots of points early but none late. We need to fix that. By jove I've got it! we'll take the guys who score all the points early, and get them off the field until the end, and get the guys who don't score any points late, and put them on the field early. Genius"
This isn't trying new things, this is retreading old mistakes.
It's been pretty obvious that, whatever the punters might think, the coaches see Beaudy as their number 2 first five. He's pretty much been the injury cover throughout - so they're using this game to give him a run. Cheer up - I have a hunch Richie the Mo will be back ahead of schedule and then we'll have two good test first fives.
TJP's getting a farewell on his home ground - I don't really like this sort of sentimentality, but it's a thing - personnel management, I guess.
They're planning to replace ALB rather than Rieko, so Havili rather than Proctor.
We might, but I'll bet they aren't Mo'unga and Dmac. If Richie is re-signed, the writing will be on the wall and I'll bet that Dmac signs for huge money overseas.
Maybe - it's hard to hold onto quality players when there's millions on offer and they aren't from the Crusaders.
But, firstly, Richie's got to take the jersey back and even assuming he does, maybe DMac really wants to win a RWC.
FIFY.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But, firstly, Richie's got to take the jersey back and even assuming he does, maybe DMac really wants to win a RWC.
Maybe this time Richie wants to?
3rd times a charm…!?
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Most of the yellows in the last string of tests have been team yellows.
Our team is ill disciplined and can't seem to read the room at the appropriate time.
Can’t understand why Razor left the invisibility cloak in Sith HQ?
He mixed it up with the failure cloak
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Suspicion that Bell will get a run in Cake Tin.
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Like the idea of giving proctor a run but only with JB at 12 as combinations will help him show his best.
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
Plummer, dont see the point of a player who is described as a 'made for test' style (% plays, kick for territory etc) is player you want off the bench. Surely he should start.
But if we have learnt anything this AB season super form doesnt count. Its now such a step down it is not a good measure.
Trial one or two at most each game at most to see if they are up to test capability. -
Just watched the ABs YouTube video of the last ten minutes. Three things seem pretty clear.
- Aumua was dreadful. Doesn’t really have an excuse with how long he’s been in the set up.
- Dmac’s defence was woeful in the lead up to the last try. Reiko saved his bacon with Dmac looking like he didn’t even want to tackle. Was incredibly slow to get into position over the next few phases, hiding at the back of the ruck.
- The lineout with the reserves on is poor.
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Victor Meldrewreplied to Lancaster Park on 25 Sept 2024, 16:48 last edited by Victor Meldrew 25 Sept 2024, 18:34
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Just watched the ABs YouTube video of the last ten minutes. Three things seem pretty clear.
- Aumua was dreadful. Doesn’t really have an excuse with how long he’s been in the set up.
- Dmac’s defence was woeful in the lead up to the last try. Reiko saved his bacon with Dmac looking like he didn’t even want to tackle. Was incredibly slow to get into position over the next few phases, hiding at the back of the ruck.
- The lineout with the reserves on is poor.
For me not so much lineout as maul that followed.
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James Parsons in camp today helping out.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
I find it difficult to comprehend the onfield leadership is much worse now when the foster years had so many disappointing performances as well , it’s just confusing and sounds like people are selective where they want to lie the blame .
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Victor Meldrewreplied to kiwiinmelb on 25 Sept 2024, 22:33 last edited by Victor Meldrew 25 Sept 2024, 22:33
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Still worried about on field leadership. Its like all the experience guys who have left were the ones who naturally lead when it was tight and we been left with the followers who have a lot of games to them.
The on field leadership issue has been around for years and I'm not sure it's the senior players who have left who have caused the problem.
What's worrying is it seems to be getting worse - we now seem to capitulate/fall apart when under pressure in the last 20 as if it's normal.
I find it difficult to comprehend the onfield leadership is much worse now when the foster years had so many disappointing performances as well , it’s just confusing and sounds like people are selective where they want to lie the blame .
Unware I blamed anyone and pointed out it had been going on for years so don't get your selective comment.
My point is it's been on a downward slide for quite some time, maybe since 2018. There seemed to be an up-tick last year - Ellis Park, RWC - but it now seems to be getting worse again. We blew a 19 point lead with 10 minutes to go against England a couple of years back and that sort of collapse has happened 2-3 times so far this year.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
But, firstly, Richie's got to take the jersey back and even assuming he does, maybe DMac really wants to win a RWC.
Maybe this time Richie wants to?
3rd times a charm…!?
Might need four goes - took Danny boy that many to properly win one!
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Feels like quite a big test for Aumua... has not been good enough for the ABs, and assuming Taukei'aho is not back (which would be bad news for him anyway) Bell is likely to get a crack against Japan, either starting or off the bench.
If Bell goes well, with how Aumua has gone they would be well within their rights to leave Aumua out.
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#23!!
Lam has more potential in the midfield than DH and I'd argue there are better fullbacks. Interesting that TJP has nearly as many caps as Savea. -
I hope that bench is literally strong enough, it is going to have to hold up two 140+kg props!
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Well, 6 of the bench are certainly dangerous with ball in hand (probably 5 given Aumua’s recent form). Two of them basically created most of our attack last week so let’s see what they can do in 12 minutes.
Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.
Havili just feels like bait to me. However he is there so I hope we goes well.
If we smash them (which I expect), this is likely going to be our new best 23….
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@Landers92 your inside oil was on the money.
That 23 is laughably conservative.
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All I will say is, thanks to terrible squad selections and Crusader bias, the 23 we are putting out this year is nowhere near as strong as it could be.
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Consistency ....
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Yes the All Black squad is not supposed to be a training squad for fading Crusaders.
At least for the initial games it was understandable they went for experience and players that they could quickly fit into strategy, but that is beginning to wear thin. He/they can either coach new talent or they can't. -
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Havili just feels like bait to me. However he is there so I hope we goes well.
Unfortunately it couldn't be anyone else from the squad as Proctor doesn't provide 2nd 5 cover, and neither does Ioane. Robertson's comment seem to imply that DMac is the fullback cover too.
"Damian McKenzie can provide experienced cover at both first-five and fullback, as Beauden has previously, and it is great to bring David Havili in to complete the 23, providing strong depth across the back line. We are excited about the opportunity this week to put in a complete performance against the Wallabies in Wellington.”
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i just dont get it....players play well...and are rotated out after a game....others dont play well and play 80 every week
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Yes the All Black squad is not supposed to be a training squad for fading Crusaders.
I don't give a crap about the 'fading crusaders' they are only part of the problem. Tj and BB, Cane? Two are gone at the end of the season and one is well past his best before, esp at 10. Ardie needs a rcoket and should be on the bench at most. This is a pathetic inwards looking selection of caps, not players. Razor, for all his talk, is frozen in the spotlight and unable to think beyond 'not losing'
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Not sure why we need Jacobson on the bench - it would seem a good test to get Finau on to hit some bodies. Clearly, he’s on the outer until he moves south.
Get off it. Finau was our starting blindside at the start of the year and was dropped because he was poor - universally agreed by everyone. You'll never guess where Jacobson comes from either...
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Underwhelming as expected. Dalton should be pissed at how they are selecting the loosies.
Havilli is just a bad joke of a selection.
Weak all round.
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The TJ, BB and Havili selections are an absolute wasted opportunity.
Ratima needs to keep starting, with Hotham getting time off the bench.
If you want to rest DMac, give Plummer a fucking decent go.
Havili, my god, my 96 year old Grandma would be more threatening to an international defensive line. Any of the other squad outside backs would be better options, even those not in the squad would be better - Lam, Evans, Z Sullivan, Poihipi, Tupaea
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Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
personally i think we dont actually know some of the names not picked wont fix things...because they dont get a run...and even if they do they get dropped even if they play well
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team.
What? How do you know that if these players are never given an opportunity?
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
personally i think we dont actually know some of the names not picked wont fix things...because they dont get a run...and even if they do they get dropped even if they play well
This is a common trap fans fall into. The answer is always obviously the guy not playing... the coaches watch them in training, have all the stats, watch all the games. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason why these guys aren't playing?
If the bench hadn't shat the bed we'd probably have won both tests in South Africa and would have eased home last week. I don't see why people want sweeping changes to the starting XV.
There is legitimate criticism of some of the wider squad selections, but that doesn't have an impact to what happens on Saturday.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
Not in the squad, no. But there are several players that would improve things.
Nawera for Reece or Telea.
Sotutu
Any back for Havilli (I’d look at Lam)
Akira or Suafoa for Blackadder or Jacobson
Plummer to actually be usedAnd that’s just the tip of my head.
Loosies are a huge problem. Picking too many sevens, and players either out of form or not good enough.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Fact is the ABs don't really have the cattle. There is not one player not selected this week that makes a considerable difference to this team. There is no silver bullet.
The real assessment of this team is at the end of next year, where if Razor is still showing 'Crusader bias' and the results aren't there, he'll come in for criticism.
We do have the cattle, I don't believe for a second that we don't.
Agree. Look at Sititi in 6, crazy idea but fook mi it paid off against both the Boks and Oz. Just need to select and introduce more young/form players - not stick with the old and past it.
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