How good are the Boks?
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@SidBarret I have to add the most important position on the rugby field. We have a load of THs at the moment. Wilco Louw and Fouche Neethling would walk into any international team. They were the only THs that kept Ox in check.
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@teachmetherugby said in How good are the Boks?:
The springboks know how to build very well.
From their school systems to their cultural story (they have a Hollywood movie based on it).
And so they have the greatest depth that is never ending , as far as the eye can see. They got a dam movie based on their story.Unmatched. Greater than the haka if we are to compare . Invictus is mythological for all the people of the country . Uniting .
they may not be the most gifted . But I can assure you that on average, their packs have a deeper bond player to player. They always deliver and peak properly for world cups .
They are known for their set plays and they always have a very very reliable kicker . Points are always in their hand.
I do honestly believe that they are the best rugby nation . Population 60million .
Was this AI generated?
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@SidBarret THs are like red wine. You don't kick fat Frans Malherbes out every bush.
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@W32 said in How good are the Boks?:
@teachmetherugby said in How good are the Boks?:
The springboks know how to build very well.
From their school systems to their cultural story (they have a Hollywood movie based on it).
And so they have the greatest depth that is never ending , as far as the eye can see. They got a dam movie based on their story.Unmatched. Greater than the haka if we are to compare . Invictus is mythological for all the people of the country . Uniting .
they may not be the most gifted . But I can assure you that on average, their packs have a deeper bond player to player. They always deliver and peak properly for world cups .
They are known for their set plays and they always have a very very reliable kicker . Points are always in their hand.
I do honestly believe that they are the best rugby nation . Population 60million .
Was this AI generated?
I'm picking English as a second language.
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@OomPB said in How good are the Boks?:
The Springboks havent played well against the All Blacks or Wallabies. The reason for this is the changing of players for every game. Which is fine as long as the win.
Young players like Fassie, Moodie, SMZ, Louw, Nortje, Dixon, Willemse wont be discovered if he didnt gave them a chance to play on top level
Nortje a great find. He's like 30 or something. Like how Rassie is an equal opportunity lifeline thrower
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@booboo said in How good are the Boks?:
@W32 said in How good are the Boks?:
@teachmetherugby said in How good are the Boks?:
The springboks know how to build very well.
From their school systems to their cultural story (they have a Hollywood movie based on it).
And so they have the greatest depth that is never ending , as far as the eye can see. They got a dam movie based on their story.Unmatched. Greater than the haka if we are to compare . Invictus is mythological for all the people of the country . Uniting .
they may not be the most gifted . But I can assure you that on average, their packs have a deeper bond player to player. They always deliver and peak properly for world cups .
They are known for their set plays and they always have a very very reliable kicker . Points are always in their hand.
I do honestly believe that they are the best rugby nation . Population 60million .
Was this AI generated?
I'm picking English as a second language.
read like AI to me
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Bok fans on here…do you think the Boks are 15-20 points better than the current ABs? Boks didn’t play perfectly, but I don’t think they were allowed to. They had to earn their wins.
I ask because there are a lot of Bok posters on X saying they think the Boks would have walloped the ABs in both games if passes had stuck. Is this the true Bok fan view, or just the view of the few?
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@stodders I think that's kinda the wrong question.
It is true that SA were pretty sloppy in both tests and have the potential to be 15 to 20 points better than they were in these games. But potential is a stupid metric.
This trend of making errors at bad times and tripping over themselves has been a constant this whole season, so I'd say the way we played is consistent with how good this team is, bit there is a lot of room to get better.
But what I would say it better over ten tests to win 7 or eight than win 5 with massive points difference. So I wouldn't say we are 20 points better than All Blacks, right now we are two or three games better over a hypothetical 10 match series.
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@stodders said in How good are the Boks?:
Bok fans on here…do you think the Boks are 15-20 points better than the current ABs? Boks didn’t play perfectly, but I don’t think they were allowed to. They had to earn their wins.
I ask because there are a lot of Bok posters on X saying they think the Boks would have walloped the ABs in both games if passes had stuck. Is this the true Bok fan view, or just the view of the few?
Stupid thing for X fans to say. The games have been close. woulda coulda shoulda
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@W32 said in How good are the Boks?:
@teachmetherugby said in How good are the Boks?:
The springboks know how to build very well.
From their school systems to their cultural story (they have a Hollywood movie based on it).
And so they have the greatest depth that is never ending , as far as the eye can see. They got a dam movie based on their story.Unmatched. Greater than the haka if we are to compare . Invictus is mythological for all the people of the country . Uniting .
they may not be the most gifted . But I can assure you that on average, their packs have a deeper bond player to player. They always deliver and peak properly for world cups .
They are known for their set plays and they always have a very very reliable kicker . Points are always in their hand.
I do honestly believe that they are the best rugby nation . Population 60million .
Was this AI generated?
Yes, artificially inflammatory.
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@W32 he is still a spring chicken.
Ruan Nortjé's birthdate is July 25, 1998. As of September 8, 2024, his age would be: 26 years old
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So yeah . What you reckon about my commentary on greatest rugby nation .
p.s I totally adored the Carter McCaw Conrad smith era so pipe down yeah.
Let’s talk. Invictus baby. What you reckon a movie like that does to the grassroots of a country ? Aye.
Talk to me
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@SidBarret said in How good are the Boks?:
In think we're in a pretty good space. The team that played on saturday was missing the following guys from the strongest 23 -
Kitshoff
Snyman
De Jager
Mostert
De Klerk
Arendse
WillemseI also think that the last couple of games have shown that some veterans are being played out of the by younger guys coming in rather old guys falling off (Mngomozulu v Pollard, Fassi v Le Roux and Louw vs Wiese).
We have a kind schedule until the next two games in New Zealand in 2025. Frankly it would be a failure not to dominate for the next 18months or so.
But the big elephant in the room is how we deal with an aging pack. Who do we keep in the side, who gets shifted out and who comes in. We have gotten used to having 10 to 15 world class tight forwards to pick from - that is not normal and you don't think we can just presume the next Etsebeth, Marx, Malherbe, whoever is just going to come out of nowhere.
Thar said - there are some truly great players coming through in positions 7 (our seven) to 15.
The fact someone as good as Andre Esterhuizen can’t get a game speaks volumes.
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rugby attack has evolved. Points are through set plays now as opposed to line breaks and backline .
SA have a style that don’t need to adapt much. Instead they are now experimenting with their attack.
All blacks haven’t adapted their style of play. Teams defend better now with lateral play
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It is official. Current Boks are the greatest (according to this Englishman):
Opinion: I’m a Pom and even I am beginning to like the Springboks
Planet Rugby's James While confesses his love for the 2024 Springboks side and how they are evolving under the genius of head coach Rassie Erasmus.
I guess this is how the Welsh players from the 70s felt when ppl started forgetting about how their many generational talents changed the game.
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I think down here in SAFFA land - bar being pretty happy - most of us are also pretty realistic and Rassie said as much post match. ABs have done far greater things in our history - we're still far behind on balance. And we are also fully aware that we've won a lot of tight games that could have gone the other way - then we'd have different conversations.
Let's see where this team ends up - and then we can really shout. For now, we celebrate the status quo with hope to see a full 80 minute performance ... because we've not seen it, yet.
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