England to whitewash Australia

Nepia

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Good point. I would say a lot of it has to do with top tier PI talent going with other options (GPS Queensland, GPS NSW, NRL U20s, Europe). Certainly seems like scholarship players are on the rise in NZ, but from a pure $$$ and opportunity standpoint playing schoolboys rugby in Australia or going onto a contract at the U20s is going to give you more cash sooner - I would dare say those outfits are more aggressive recruiters also.
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Is it really (I don't actually know)? There's always been lots of PI scholarships in NZ (Josh Kronfeld's grandfather came out on one in the 1930s. ;)).

Immenso Rapido

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Is it really (I don't actually know)? There's always been lots of PI scholarships in NZ (Josh Kronfeld's grandfather came out on one in the 1930s. ;)).</blockquote> 
Anecdotally, I think it is. Article in the weekend about Naholo - that he has managed to get 2 of his brothers out here on scholarships now. One at Hastings Boys and the other at NPBHS. Did these schools have any scholarship places 10 yeas ago? I know my school which is a super 8, did not 20 odd years ago. Actually I don't know if they do now ..,,

Nepia

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Anecdotally, I think it is. Article in the weekend about Naholo - that he has managed to get 2 of his brothers out here on scholarships now. One at Hastings Boys and the other at NPBHS. Did these schools have any scholarship places 10 yeas ago? I know my school which is a super 8, did not 20 odd years ago. Actually I don't know if they do now ..,,
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Hastings Boys had scholarships when I was there (although I can't remember us getting any good rugby players from them) but they might be directed more at rugby players these days.
 
I was wondering how the Naholo brother turned up in Hastings. 
 
Which Super 8 school is yours?

Immenso Rapido

Tauranga.

Siam

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Naholo makes it 3 in recent times. But we did have Taumoepeau and Devine around the same time as Sivi, so it may not be a trend at all. Vidiri and Vanisi were just a egregious in the previous era.
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I think he came to NZ as a kid with his family.
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Is this Kupu Vanisi, the open side with the dreads?
 
I played him when he was a 17 year old student at Kings High in Dunedin, so he more than adequately qualifies as a kiwi lad who earned the right - not much of a privileged ride playing in Dunners every June/July in the early 90's . The bugger was the same size then as he was on TV years later - lovely kid too

MajorRage

All this discussion is a silly exercise, which just helps to re-inforce his point.
 
It's a global problem, not isolated to the PI's, not isolated to NZ & Australia. It'll be mentioned as long as we are winning.
 
You can bet your bottom dollar if Mario Itoje was playing for NZ, his background would be checked all the way back to come up with some sort of negative about NZ rugby and the way it's run. 
 
As long as we win, as long as we dominate, the story will never change. The only way it will change is if we fall off a massive cliff performance wise, and then things are written in a "sad/sorry state of NZ rugby" sort of way. Take your pic, I'll take the current anyday.
 
Despite the best efforts of the UK media, I still find that I can enjoy a pint with most English supporters, who are somewhat more open minded than the people who write about their rugby team. Sure, there's plenty of arse licking twitter trolls who will go on about it, but you'll never please everybody.
 
It's part of the territory of having 3 world cups, and the dominance we've enjoyed of late.

MN5

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All this discussion is a silly exercise, which just helps to re-inforce his point.
 
It's a global problem, not isolated to the PI's, not isolated to NZ & Australia. It'll be mentioned as long as we are winning.
 
You can bet your bottom dollar if Mario Itoje was playing for NZ, his background would be checked all the way back to come up with some sort of negative about NZ rugby and the way it's run. 
 
As long as we win, as long as we dominate, the story will never change. The only way it will change is if we fall off a massive cliff performance wise, and then things are written in a "sad/sorry state of NZ rugby" sort of way. Take your pic, I'll take the current anyday.
 
Despite the best efforts of the UK media, I still find that I can enjoy a pint with most English supporters, who are somewhat more open minded than the people who write about their rugby team. Sure, there's plenty of arse licking twitter trolls who will go on about it, but you'll never please everybody.
 
It's part of the territory of having 3 world cups, and the dominance we've enjoyed of late. 
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Jones has always written inflammatory shit about the ABs though, one article beating off how Martin Johnson was so much better as a leader than Rueben Thorne, Jonny Wilkinson so much better than Merhts and Spencer.....they had more effect in those days.
 
It is disappointing that players I used to hate like Will Carling and Austin Healey come across as good guys, luckily Matt Dawsons hakarena bullshit made it easy to despise him and after their performance in the cup made him look like a fuckknuckle of epic proportions......

Immenso Rapido

Itâ€™s a very slow rugby week. 
On the scholarships thing / and where nationality begins and ends â€¦. 
For me; my touchstone is Rugby League - where NZ get in the supplier/feeder side of the ledger. About 10 or so years ago you had 3 young uncapped guys starting out in the NRL with kiwi roots; SBW, Benji Marshall and Karmichael Hunt. SBW and Benji had been recruited by Aussie high schools on scholarships at aboutage 16 â€“ while Hunt had moved with his family at age 13. To me it felt like SBW and Benji should be Kiwis - as there reason for being there was always football related - while Hunt should be Aussie. And that is actually how it worked out. 
I mean we get a few back, but the Cayless brothers aren't worth a Benji and Sonny. 
Then about 10 years later, James Tamou whose circumstances are the same as Hunt chooses the Aussies (as he should) but gets booed by the kiwi crowds. Didnâ€™t get that. People who move with their family should embrace there new country IMO. 
Quade Cooper also moved at 13, but his booing was for an entirely different reason â€¦ I mean Manny Edmonds didnâ€™t get heckled etc â€¦â€¦

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Then about 10 years later, James Tamou whose circumstances are the same as Hunt chooses the Aussies (as he should) but gets booed by the kiwi crowds. Didnâ€™t get that. People who move with their family should embrace there new country IMO.
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IIRC Tamou still only has a NZ passport so hasn't fully embraced his new country. Quade is the same.

Immenso Rapido

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IIRC Tamou still only has a NZ passport so hasn't fully embraced his new country. Quade is the same.</blockquote>
Actually may be his new country hasn't embraced him if it's the John Howard changes preventing them getting one. born in 88, move at 13 - which means 2001. Rules changed in Feb 2001. 
Not an issue imo, is just a booklet. Kaino has a US passport apparently rather than a kiwi one. 
Edit. By not an issue - mean having dual citizenship, or not citizenship but being well embedded in new country without the passport. I do think the Aussie changes to some of the Kiwi residents in Oz's rights are in many ways quite scandalous.

MajorRage

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Then about 10 years later, James Tamou whose circumstances are the same as Hunt chooses the Aussies (as he should) but gets booed by the kiwi crowds. Didnâ€™t get that. People who move with their family should embrace there new country IMO. 

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Wasn't Tamou boo'd as he was in an NZ squad (which he wanted to be) but then chose Australia solely so he could play Origin?

Immenso Rapido

Actually just looking at Tamou's wiki page. He played for NZ Moari, and also in Kiwi training squads in the years before switching to Roos. Hence the antipathy, fair enough then I suppose.

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Wasn't Tamou boo'd as he was in an NZ squad (which he wanted to be) but then chose Australia solely so he could play Origin?
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The reason <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/nrl/james-tamou-has-turned-his-back-on-the-kiwis-and-declared-he-wants-to-represent-nsw-in-origin/story-fnbgtxvf-1226320055379'>Tamou was booed</a> was because he treated his national allegiance like a club selection. To be fair though I don't think this was his intent.
 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"> The rampaging Tamou made the Kiwi train-on squad last year for the Four Nations and as late as Monday night was still talking about his dream of breaking into New Zealand's Test team.
He said <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/game?matchid=NRL20120508'>after the Cowboys' win over Canberra</a>: "I'll be honest, it's in the back of my mind (selection for the April 20 Test in Auckland). I've thought about it and I would be upset if I wasn't picked (for New Zealand).'' 
But yesterday he explained how the change of heart came about.
"The situation is Ricky Stuart rang me last year and asked if I was available,'' Tamou added. "At the time I said thanks for the call but I want to play for the Kiwis.
"Anyway, Ricky rang me again a couple of weeks ago and said; 'Mate, do you want to play Origin?'
"This time I really had a good think about it and I got some advice.
"Something that astood out was when my manager Sam Ayoub said it's not every day the NSW coach rings you and asks if you're available.
"Everyone knows Origin is centre stage for the world of rugby league. I grew up watching it with a passion and admiring the players who play in it.
"I was asked and I decided I wanted to have a go at Origin.''
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Tamou was booed because he was on the record wanting to play for NZ and got sweet talked by Ricky Stuart (aside from being genuinely unlikable remember post the '08 World Cup final) to sell out his country. Gallen was also mentioned at the time having tempted him also.
 
Also there is a genuine frustration that Aussie use Origin as a lure for otherwise Kiwi players - Karmichael having set the table to for that.

NTA

Anyway, back to Australian matters: Benn Robinson has been forced to retire after copping a poke in the eye against the Brumbies a few weeks ago. Can't engage in any strenuous physical activity for an undetermined period, or risks losing vision in that eye permanently. 
 
One of our best props to never go to a RWC. Bummer. Highest capped Waratah, 72 caps for the Wallabies. Just look at this beast:
 
<img src="http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/92877507-benn-robinson-of-australia-makes-a-break-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXuvkWhJPeXz4wBdXaoePzRC%2F%2Bp5IXburJsyNeLZI5v%2BkwHHDypMMlqJCQRQSlptxTA%3D%3D" alt="92877507-benn-robinson-of-australia-make">

NTA

Meanwhile, speculation about the Aussie team - which could all be smoke screens by Cheika - says there might be 1 or 3 bolters in there: Rory Arnold for the 2nd row alongside Simmons, Haylett-Petty at 15, and maybe Reece Hodge at 12 if Lilo isn't able to train with the team in time.

MN5

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Anyway, back to Australian matters: Benn Robinson has been forced to retire after copping a poke in the eye against the Brumbies a few weeks ago. Can't engage in any strenuous physical activity for an undetermined period, or risks losing vision in that eye permanently. 
 
One of our best props to never go to a RWC. Bummer. Highest capped Waratah, 72 caps for the Wallabies. Just look at this beast:
 
<img src="http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/92877507-benn-robinson-of-australia-makes-a-break-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXuvkWhJPeXz4wBdXaoePzRC%2F%2Bp5IXburJsyNeLZI5v%2BkwHHDypMMlqJCQRQSlptxTA%3D%3D" alt="92877507-benn-robinson-of-australia-make">
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I haven't seen a Wallaby front rower that cute and cuddly since Tony Daly.

Immenso Rapido

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Anyway, back to Australian matters: Benn Robinson has been forced to retire after copping a poke in the eye against the Brumbies a few weeks ago. Can't engage in any strenuous physical activity for an undetermined period, or risks losing vision in that eye permanently. 
One of our best props to never go to a RWC. Bummer. Highest capped Waratah, 72 caps for the Wallabies. Just look at this beast: <img src="http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/92877507-benn-robinson-of-australia-makes-a-break-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXuvkWhJPeXz4wBdXaoePzRC%2F%2Bp5IXburJsyNeLZI5v%2BkwHHDypMMlqJCQRQSlptxTA%3D%3D" alt="92877507-benn-robinson-of-australia-make"></blockquote>
 
That is a tough break! Feel for him.

NTA

Robinson had 148 NSW caps - pissed off not to hit the 150 I'll bet.
 
 
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I haven't seen a Wallaby front rower that cute and cuddly since Tony Daly.
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Tony Daly is a raging fucking c**tard. He's a fluffybunny to play against - never shuts up - and there are a trail of people he's pissed off in Australian rugby, particularly in the amateur ranks where he sells himself as a supercoach and is just a fucking dodgy prick.

SammyC

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Tony Daly is a raging fucking c**tard. He's a fluffybunny to play against - never shuts up - and there are a trail of people he's pissed off in Australian rugby, particularly in the amateur ranks where he sells himself as a supercoach and is just a fucking dodgy prick.
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Classic :)

Siam

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Anyway, back to Australian matters: Benn Robinson has been forced to retire after copping a poke in the eye against the Brumbies a few weeks ago. Can't engage in any strenuous physical activity for an undetermined period, or risks losing vision in that eye permanently. 
 
One of our best props to never go to a RWC. Bummer. Highest capped Waratah, 72 caps for the Wallabies. Just look at this beast:
 
<img src="http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/92877507-benn-robinson-of-australia-makes-a-break-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXuvkWhJPeXz4wBdXaoePzRC%2F%2Bp5IXburJsyNeLZI5v%2BkwHHDypMMlqJCQRQSlptxTA%3D%3D" alt="92877507-benn-robinson-of-australia-make">
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Anyone else do a double take on that photo as Benn evades the tackle from the Wallaby 6 (who is that btw, Rocky?)
 
Bad luck for Benn and the Ozzies - a good prop

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