Black Caps v Australia
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@barbarian said in Black Caps v Australia:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps v Australia:
The only difference here is Cam Green's knock in the first. Their other 19 innings amount to not much.
See you're the Wallaby fan who says "if we didn't concede those two tries just after half time, the game was dead even".
Then next game "oooh if only those couple of 50/50 calls go our way, the scoreline looks completely different"
And then "Man if we held onto that last pass I reckon we would have scored, and then we'd be within 6 with ten to play!"
It's like looking in a mirror.
Australia would have smashed us back in the 80s if it wasn’t for Hadlees 15 wickets in a single match that’s for sure.
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@barbarian and like the Wallabies, when the stars align they can beat the best. We really, really wanted the stars to align this series given how rare it is, but it turned into a comedy of errors from many of our senior players.
And that was a pretty special innings from Cam Green in the context of the match.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Australia:
@barbarian and like the Wallabies, when the stars align they can beat the best. We really, really wanted the stars to align this series given how rare it is, but it turned into a comedy of errors from many of our senior players.
And that was a pretty special innings from Cam Green in the context of the match.
You don't even need the stars to align, you just have to not shit the bed. The Wallabies are a pretty good team, as are the Black Caps. Both have won trophies, produced some legends of the game, when they are at their best they can beat anyone.
The thing that frustrates fans is the consistent underperformance against one specific Trans- Ta$man opponent. Where a competent team is reduced to actions that should be accompanied by Benny Hill-style yakkety sax. Balls bouncing off heads, mid-pitch collisions, etc etc
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
Stead needs to go. He's admitted they they got their bowling selections wrong for the second test in a row. I expect he won't play Santner in Chch either.
Now there is the prospect of tossing Sears into the fray. Stead should go, and take Timmee with him. We are going to get brutalized in Christchurch
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@canefan said in Black Caps v Australia:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Australia:
Fuck me days
#26 coming right up...
I think the ‘Big Brother’ thing irks me more than the losing to be honest
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Surprised to see this hasnt been mentioned
Ross Taylor isnt the sort of person to make up drama so you have to take this as been very likely to be true.
Even the Aussies were suprised Wagner wasnt picked, yes hes the player he was but then why is Southee captain and being picked... -
It's a bit of a 'no shit sherlock' for me.
Ross Taylor was basically forced to retire, as was Neil Wagner. Because they weren't doing it themselves.
That's not a criticism of them. They're supposed to be competitive and believe in themselves, and it is our 'job' (and the coach and captains and selector's job) to recognise when they can't.
A bit indulgent IMO, both should have been dropped before their last 'farewell series/tests'. Certainly nothing to get knickers in a twist about, IMO, except that the coach/selectors have been too weak to make changes early enough. hence this long, long steady decline & death by a thousand cuts.
Sears is possibly debuting v Australia tomorrow after an injury 'crisis', while Wagner got a soft South Africa C farewell just a fortnight ago, coz feelings. That's dumb IMO. Wasted opportunity.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
Although I agree with the "but then why is Southee ...." part.
Nicholls, Wagner, Southee, Stead. Have been the deadwood. We're half way there. But because of the weakness - by the time we get 'there' - Blundell will also have joined the walking dead.
To be honest, if Kuggeliiejn is the next cab off the rank, I can see why Timmy is getting picked.
He shouldn't be getting the new ball though if Henry and O'Rourke are playing. That's very indulgent.
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If I was being cynical. Can probably infer why no Timmy like-for-likes are getting anywhere near the taxi rank.
If I was being less cynical, I would (kinda) agree with the bowling styles selections based on team balance and the captain is a lock-in.
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
Although I agree with the "but then why is Southee ...." part.
Nicholls, Wagner, Southee, Stead. Have been the deadwood. We're half way there. But because of the weakness - by the time we get 'there' - Blundell will also have joined the walking dead.
To be honest, if Kuggeliiejn is the next cab off the rank, I can see why Timmy is getting picked.
He shouldn't be getting the new ball though if Henry and O'Rourke are playing. That's very indulgent.
Having a play on stats guru.
Since 2020 heres the fast bowling statsTimmy 108 wickets @28
Jamieson 80 wickets @ 19
Boult 61 Wickets @25
Wagner 59 Wickets @31
Henry 58 Wickets @27those are the only ones to have played double figure tests. Timmy way out in front with 28 tests, the rest in the teens.
The last year or so has been bleak for our pace attack (or lack of)
We are basically held together by Henry (averages 24) where as Timmy's @35, Wagner @40, Tickner @36, Kuggeleijn @42Jamieson has only played 3 tests in that time, and we can only hope O'Rourke isnt just a fluke.
Might as well give Sears a go. He cant be much worse then who we have already tried. -
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
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@Virgil said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Australia:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Australia:
Although I agree with the "but then why is Southee ...." part.
Nicholls, Wagner, Southee, Stead. Have been the deadwood. We're half way there. But because of the weakness - by the time we get 'there' - Blundell will also have joined the walking dead.
To be honest, if Kuggeliiejn is the next cab off the rank, I can see why Timmy is getting picked.
He shouldn't be getting the new ball though if Henry and O'Rourke are playing. That's very indulgent.
Having a play on stats guru.
Since 2020 heres the fast bowling statsTimmy 108 wickets @28
Jamieson 80 wickets @ 19
Boult 61 Wickets @25
Wagner 59 Wickets @31
Henry 58 Wickets @27those are the only ones to have played double figure tests. Timmy way out in front with 28 tests, the rest in the teens.
The last year or so has been bleak for our pace attack (or lack of)
We are basically held together by Henry (averages 24) where as Timmy's @35, Wagner @40, Tickner @36, Kuggeleijn @42Jamieson has only played 3 tests in that time, and we can only hope O'Rourke isnt just a fluke.
Might as well give Sears a go. He cant be much worse then who we have already tried.This is such a ‘early 2000s black caps’ way of thinking but to be honest it’s accurate, that’s where NZ cricket is at the moment.
…..that’s not even mentioning the batsmen either, that’s a whole other issue !
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Australia:
I don't think that Southee has any intention of retiring so a decision will need to be made for him.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350195065/tim-southees-journey-rugby-head-test-cricket-centurion
He might have his eyes on Hadlees record and do a Kapil Dev and take a fucken age to get there!
'Forced retirement': Taylor on Wagner's exit from Black Caps
