CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand
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Bowlers were pathetic. Boult and Southee are past it and Ferguson was really disappointing
We bowled too many short balls, took far too long to bowl slower balls and why we didn't bowl yorkers at the end is beyond me. Restrict them to 350 and we would have had a decent chance. Henry was a big loss.
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@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Damo said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Canes4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Going to be a very long innings me thinks.
We've set 400 so we can chase it. No issues there.
The issue will be whether we can chase the 430 that we will need.
I don’t think we can chase 400 against this Indian bowling lineup. 350 possibly but even then.
Other than Mitchell and Kane I worry about our guys against Bumrah and the spin
Remarkably prescient apart from which Indian would shatter our hopes.
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When both openers go for 13 you know things aren’t going to go right.
Ah well, semis yet again, pretty damn respectable.
Everyone has had a go at the bowlers but is it time to have a rethink about Tom Latham in the shorter form of the game ? His form fell off a cliff.
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Lots of talk of criticism of our bowlers, but I think if you take scoreboard pressure out of it we would have got 350-370.
Given all the advantages India had, that’s not far off so perhaps this criticism is slightly unfair. Indian bowling line up is pretty awesome.
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The bowling performance was a repeat of the South African,Pakistani and Australia games resulting in the same results.
Time to move on and development a new breed of bowlers to support what is a very good batting group, the strongest man for man we have had in a long while our top 4 are all big performers and our middle to lower order do a good job.35 year old one trick ponies are not going to help us compete against the top sides our batting can.
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@dogmeat said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Damo said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Canes4life said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Going to be a very long innings me thinks.
We've set 400 so we can chase it. No issues there.
The issue will be whether we can chase the 430 that we will need.
I don’t think we can chase 400 against this Indian bowling lineup. 350 possibly but even then.
Other than Mitchell and Kane I worry about our guys against Bumrah and the spin
Remarkably prescient apart from which Indian would shatter our hopes.
Yeah Shami was on fire.
Bumrah and Siraj put us under pressure early by getting the ball to move and Shami did his thing.
Mitchell played very well. Got a bit of luck but he was aggressive. Kane got set and then started to play his shots. He was very disappointed with his dismissal because even though he didn’t middle it, he got a decent shot on it.
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@NTA said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@MajorRage said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Given all the advantages India had
Does this account belong to Stuff?
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@Rapido said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
Who gives a sh!t about the pitch. C'mon. It's an ODI. It's a pitch full of runs that is easy to bat on. Broadly like every other ODI pitch for the last 30 years.
Kind of agree?
The issue seems to be that the BCCI rather than the ICC selected the pitch. Home advantage in major sporting tournaments isn't 'meant' to extend that far. As I said above, the indians are good enough they don't need to do that (well, their administrators - but you get the idea)
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@Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
The bowling performance was a repeat of the South African,Pakistani and Australia games resulting in the same results.
Time to move on and development a new breed of bowlers to support what is a very good batting group, the strongest man for man we have had in a long while our top 4 are all big performers and our middle to lower order do a good job.35 year old one trick ponies are not going to help us compete against the top sides our batting can.
Unfortunately, that's a lot easier said than done.
I'd hoped Big Kyle would be leading our attack now, but he hasn't kicked on in the last couple of years and seems injury prone.
The next line is Duffy and Tickner, so I hope we've got some young guys bubbling under.
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@Chris-B said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
The bowling performance was a repeat of the South African,Pakistani and Australia games resulting in the same results.
Time to move on and development a new breed of bowlers to support what is a very good batting group, the strongest man for man we have had in a long while our top 4 are all big performers and our middle to lower order do a good job.35 year old one trick ponies are not going to help us compete against the top sides our batting can.
Unfortunately, that's a lot easier said than done.
I'd hoped Big Kyle would be leading our attack now, but he hasn't kicked on in the last couple of years and seems injury prone.
The next line is Duffy and Tickner, so I hope we've got some young guys bubbling under.
It needs to be done, hard or not what is the alternative ? keep the bowling attack we have getting the same results for another 5 years until they are 40/41 years old.
No make the break now,take some bowling pain which is happening now anyway for hopefully greater reward in a couple of years.
If we have the it's to hard attitude to do then someone like Ravindra never would have gone to the WC.
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@Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
If we have the it's to hard attitude to do then someone like Ravindra never would have gone to the WC.
He was only in the squad due to Bracewell's injury. Good luck rather than good management/planning.
The majority of NZ team is over 30 years, so the pace bowling group needs a refresh anyway.
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@Bovidae said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
@Chris said in CWC Semi-final 1: India v New Zealand:
If we have the it's to hard attitude to do then someone like Ravindra never would have gone to the WC.
He was only in the squad due to Bracewell's injury. Good luck rather than good management/planning.
The majority of NZ team is over 30 years, so the pace bowling group needs a refresh anyway.
That is why I have my doubts we will see a refresh.
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@Chris It's happening anyway.
They haven't picked Wagner to go to Bangladesh and Boult has removed himself from the equation.
I presume they'll have to find a replacement for Matt Henry - but, he's still in his prime and should pretty much be the first bowler picked.
I'm inclined to think that you pick the best you have available unless there's very small margins between the old and the young. I've seen nothing to suggest we've got anyone else as good as the guys who were at this CWC. And none of the next line of bowlers - Duffy, Tickner, Kuggelijn, Bracewell, Milne - are spring chickens.
I don't think it's at all hard for a young gun fast bowler to come through in NZ. In my lifetime, mainly the cupboard has been pretty bare.
