RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina
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@Steven-Harris I was surprised Luke Pearce didn’t get tonight’s game. Gardner was a weird call
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@stodders said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
https://x.com/skalabrak/status/1715453801346281633?s=46&t=Xyr9rqvpyxuZ6mu4OxMcYA
Certainly not Walrus level…..but disappointing from Schalk.
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always easier being critical of the ref being bias when you have no skin in the game and there is a massive underdog, just look at many of the pool games.
Too many average refs out there at present unfortunately, although the complexity of the rules doesnt help them much either.
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Other notes I made in my head while watching:
If Telea starts, he's going to get bombed all day. Fabulous runner in contact, but doesn't look assured under the high ball, particularly in traffic.
Pressure game from ABs was good, but their defence was hardly tested. The Pumas played a wide game, only realising later on that punching it up in close was better for retention, metres, and drawing penalties.
The effort of running that wide game showed as they ran out of legs and out of ideas. Hunger in the AB defence was palpable - no tries is a good outcome considering some of the line breaks but gee they looked like a Cheika-coached team. Should have started in closer IMHO and used a couple of decoys.
There was a notable period toward the end of the first half where the ABs looked like they were doing prep work for their next opponent: ball kept close, working on pick n go often for centimetres. That is a good sign when they could have just chucked it to Jordan and let him score another one.
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My preferred outcome from here: Boks lose controversially and ABs beat England in the final.
Any time the Boks lose controversially, it is funny. Hilarious, even. Especially when it isn't against the ABs.
And then Argentina win 3rd
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@NTA said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
My preferred outcome from here: Boks lose controversially and ABs beat England in the final.
Any time the Boks lose controversially, it is funny. Hilarious, even. Especially when it isn't against the ABs.
And then Argentina win 3rd
As long as we win, I'm good with that
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@canefan said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
As long as we win, I'm good with that
ABs winning is the least-fluffybunny-option at this point.
Plus it'll be amusing to see all the Foster haters have to eat crow
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@stodders said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@MiketheSnow and @Billy-Tell hope you enjoyed the game. Let us know your thoughts when you get time
Firstly I love the stade de France. It’s an amazing stadium. The only thing that would make it better was if it was a pure rugby stadium then you wouldn’t have the gap to the seats that is created by a round pitch.
The ABs currently look really well coached. The only off note was the short distances on the touch finders. At the ground you see how well smith organises the team. Rieko was doing that a fair bit too. The starting props were pure class. Frizzell also gets really stuck into the defence.
We had Irish lads in front of us, Argentinians around us but bumped into a heap of kiwis on the metro home and they were great.
I’d be very confident vs England. I’d also be confident vs SA if we dont make the errors the French made.
Telea has a great work rate and his slippery eel yards in close were very useful.
You guys will have seen more detail on the TV but we looked really organised and with a game plan.
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@Billy-Tell always great to read an account from the ground. How good.
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@Donsteppa said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Slow start, moved through the gears, won it surprisingly easily.
An extra day of recovery too, and hoping for a bruising and confrontational semi final tomorrow.
Slow start I think was a lot to do with an excellent Argentinean start. They held the ball as long as they wanted and didn't make errors. And for all that they never looked like scoring. Then basically our first opportunity was 5 points
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@NTA said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@canefan said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
As long as we win, I'm good with that
ABs winning is the least-fluffybunny-option at this point.
Plus it'll be amusing to see all the Foster haters have to eat crow
I've been very critical of Fozz. If he wins I'll gladly eat a plate of crow. And smash some humble pie for dessert!
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A few years after the goal line drop out rule has come in it's great to see the ABs attacking smartly near the line. Have a half crack at the line but if it's not on recycle back rather than get held up over the line. Also good to see them using space wider than simply bashing close only. See Jordan's first try.
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@BerniesCorner keep it up Bernie
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@MN5 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@stodders said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
https://x.com/skalabrak/status/1715453801346281633?s=46&t=Xyr9rqvpyxuZ6mu4OxMcYA
Certainly not Walrus level…..but disappointing from Schalk.
That's enough for me. SA definitely got the rub of the green last week.
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@akan004 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Sky continues to embarrass themselves. How pathetic.
Surprised they didn't put a clown nose on him TBH.
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@akan004 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Sky continues to embarrass themselves. How pathetic.
Yep let’s not miss a chance to have a lame dig at Australia.
You’d hope as a country we’d grown out of this embarrassing, completely unfunny shit.
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@MN5 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
embarrassing, completely unfunny shit.
Would make a good motto for sky
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@MN5 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
embarrassing, completely unfunny shit.
Would make a good motto for sky
Angus Ta’avo was good value I thought. The old “ring ring, try time” was class comedy.
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There is nothing more tedious than a massive online ref whinge from supposed "neutrals"
Oh no, if only Angus had found ways to scrub off 4 AB tries, then they would only have won by
Checks notes
3 triesI thought Gardner was good today. Super clear in his communication. Didn't blow little shit, but obvious shit. The dominant team got the rub, same as always.
Irish fans thinking thats a stitch up are completely devoid of self-reflection.
I don't expect perfection, I expect a guy to manage thr game and let the players sort it out
(If I had a whinge I thinknthe worst call of the game was binning a guy for an infraction 80+ metres from.his try line with no warning)
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@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
There is nothing more tedious than a massive online ref whinge from supposed "neutrals"
Oh no, if only Angus had found ways to scrub off 4 AB tries, then they would only have won by
Checks notes
3 triesI thought Gardner was good today. Super clear in his communication. Didn't blow little shit, but obvious shit. The dominant team got the rub, same as always.
Irish fans thinking thats a stitch up are completely devoid of self-reflection.
I don't expect perfection, I expect a guy to manage thr game and let the players sort it out
(If I had a whinge I thinknthe worst call of the game was binning a guy for an infraction 80+ metres from.his try line with no warning)
Everyone goes against the ABs when they start winning. Especially from the British Isles, that’s nothing new.
Which makes Burgers comments all the more disappointing. That’s not the bloke that used to smash and be smashed by JC back in the day then have a beer afterwards !
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@Winger said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Richie denied Will Jordan the chance to do a Jonah!
Really poor by Richie. He needs to sort his head out before the final. Not only denied Jordan 4 tries. But NZ a record semi winning margin. F++king idiot
Firstly, Richie played well. His tackling has improved out of sight. His linking play superb. Got a few deep kicks in too.
No one really remembers scores from RWC semi finals anyway. And he knows to keep Jonah’s record in tact.
Now just hand me the Knight in Shining Armour Fernie.
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Was the pass from Savea to Jordan forward or flat for Jordan’s last try? Asking for a troupe of grumpy journalists
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
A few years after the goal line drop out rule has come in it's great to see the ABs attacking smartly near the line. Have a half crack at the line but if it's not on recycle back rather than get held up over the line. Also good to see them using space wider than simply bashing close only. See Jordan's first try.
We were very patient and didn’t get over excited with a half chance. We built up the middle and then when the space was there we pounced. In the past we have pushed it too early.
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@stodders said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Was the pass from Savea to Jordan forward or flat for Jordan’s last try? Asking for a troupe of grumpy journalists
Definitely not forward, there was an overhead shot that proved it FFS
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ACT Crusaderreplied to stodders on 20 Oct 2023, 23:32 last edited by ACT Crusader 20 Oct 2023, 23:36
@stodders said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
https://x.com/skalabrak/status/1715453801346281633?s=46&t=Xyr9rqvpyxuZ6mu4OxMcYA
Isn’t it beautiful. Love a whinging former Bok player. I’ll go easy on Burger missing all the cynical crap that the Argies did at the breakdown that Gardner missed mind you, given he made a living parking his body on the opposite side of the ruck, entering in from the side, I gotchu
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"This wasn't how it was supposed to beeee" they wailed
"It was our time!" They cried
"Deseeeeerved" they sobbed
Delicious salty tears making the inevitable NZ v SA final even sweeter. Salted caramel if you will.
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@MN5 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
There is nothing more tedious than a massive online ref whinge from supposed "neutrals"
Oh no, if only Angus had found ways to scrub off 4 AB tries, then they would only have won by
Checks notes
3 triesI thought Gardner was good today. Super clear in his communication. Didn't blow little shit, but obvious shit. The dominant team got the rub, same as always.
Irish fans thinking thats a stitch up are completely devoid of self-reflection.
I don't expect perfection, I expect a guy to manage thr game and let the players sort it out
(If I had a whinge I thinknthe worst call of the game was binning a guy for an infraction 80+ metres from.his try line with no warning)
Everyone goes against the ABs when they start winning. Especially from the British Isles, that’s nothing new.
Which makes Burgers comments all the more disappointing. That’s not the bloke that used to smash and be smashed by JC back in the day then have a beer afterwards !
Because he sees the same thing that everyone else sees, apart from those wearing black tinted glasses. Another fuck up of a ref shafting the weaker team on the micro decisions over the entire game. Of course it makes no difference to the outcome of the game. AB's were always going to hammer a poor Argentina side. But it does end any competitiveness and the potential for a decent game to watch.
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@Chris said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Fuck the whingers we are in the WC final, they aren't,Lets finish it off and bring Bill home.
Losing the Final would be shit getting that close and finishing runners up might as well have been knocked out in the QF.
Nervous as hell now for the final.Might have to get some serious meds in for next week.Meditation or Xanax?
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@Frank said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Chris said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Fuck the whingers we are in the WC final, they aren't,Lets finish it off and bring Bill home.
Losing the Final would be shit getting that close and finishing runners up might as well have been knocked out in the QF.
Nervous as hell now for the final.Might have to get some serious meds in for next week.Meditation or Xanax?
Both
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taniwharugbyreplied to The Irishman on 20 Oct 2023, 23:38 last edited by taniwharugby 20 Oct 2023, 23:38
@The-Irishman although you see the bits you want to see, even as a neutral, see all the wailing in pool play when the other minnows got reemed by the ref, but the better sides fans don't see it as clearly or as much.
Refereeing is at an all time low IMO, WR really needs to have a good look at things, despite the 1/4s last week being so good, this has papered over other issues.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Mounga denies Jordan a record
Yep that was bad. Fucking shame
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@Frank said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Chris said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Fuck the whingers we are in the WC final, they aren't,Lets finish it off and bring Bill home.
Losing the Final would be shit getting that close and finishing runners up might as well have been knocked out in the QF.
Nervous as hell now for the final.Might have to get some serious meds in for next week.Meditation or Xanax?
To start with then finish on a high
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@The-Irishman said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@MN5 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
There is nothing more tedious than a massive online ref whinge from supposed "neutrals"
Oh no, if only Angus had found ways to scrub off 4 AB tries, then they would only have won by
Checks notes
3 triesI thought Gardner was good today. Super clear in his communication. Didn't blow little shit, but obvious shit. The dominant team got the rub, same as always.
Irish fans thinking thats a stitch up are completely devoid of self-reflection.
I don't expect perfection, I expect a guy to manage thr game and let the players sort it out
(If I had a whinge I thinknthe worst call of the game was binning a guy for an infraction 80+ metres from.his try line with no warning)
Everyone goes against the ABs when they start winning. Especially from the British Isles, that’s nothing new.
Which makes Burgers comments all the more disappointing. That’s not the bloke that used to smash and be smashed by JC back in the day then have a beer afterwards !
Because he sees the same thing that everyone else sees, apart from those wearing black tinted glasses. Another fuck up of a ref shafting the weaker team on the micro decisions over the entire game. Of course it makes no difference to the outcome of the game. AB's were always going to hammer a poor Argentina side. But it does end any competitiveness and the potential for a decent game to watch.
Brilliantly one eyed bitterness.
Argies flopped all over the breakdowns.
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It's rugby, the entire game is subjective, that's why you see what you want to see. And why endless whinging YouTube videos are easy to make
And why refs aren't as bad as some make out, they are just under more of a microscope than ever thanks to the eye in the sky reviewing every decision or non-decision, and injecting their own opinion.
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mariner4lifereplied to The Irishman on 20 Oct 2023, 23:52 last edited by mariner4life 20 Oct 2023, 23:54
@The-Irishman said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@MN5 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
There is nothing more tedious than a massive online ref whinge from supposed "neutrals"
Oh no, if only Angus had found ways to scrub off 4 AB tries, then they would only have won by
Checks notes
3 triesI thought Gardner was good today. Super clear in his communication. Didn't blow little shit, but obvious shit. The dominant team got the rub, same as always.
Irish fans thinking thats a stitch up are completely devoid of self-reflection.
I don't expect perfection, I expect a guy to manage thr game and let the players sort it out
(If I had a whinge I thinknthe worst call of the game was binning a guy for an infraction 80+ metres from.his try line with no warning)
Everyone goes against the ABs when they start winning. Especially from the British Isles, that’s nothing new.
Which makes Burgers comments all the more disappointing. That’s not the bloke that used to smash and be smashed by JC back in the day then have a beer afterwards !
Because he sees the same thing that everyone else sees, apart from those wearing black tinted glasses. Another fuck up of a ref shafting the weaker team on the micro decisions over the entire game. Of course it makes no difference to the outcome of the game. AB's were always going to hammer a poor Argentina side. But it does end any competitiveness and the potential for a decent game to watch.
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Spare a thought for us AB fans who are also Sader fans. We get it from all angles - our teams are always favoured by the refs. I know right, poor us.
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