RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland
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@taniwharugby said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
@Billy-Tell French presently are the biggest chokers...0/3 finals.
Ireland, ranked #1 prior to 2019, ranked #1 this year...one or both of them will wear that tag.
Ireland hit their peak in 2018. It was all downhill after that. They got to #1 ranking just before the world cup started but that was from a bizarre set of circumstances. Wales also got to #1 around that time.
Ireland were #1 for a few days in 2019 vs a year in 2023.
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It's been a very enjoyable tournament so far - one of my favourite matches was last night's Portugal victory over Fiji - great heart and commitment - hopefully they get more opportunities in the coming years.
The game against New Zealand will be enjoyable with both teams and sets of fans openly/quietly hoping for a victory. Some great match-ups between players and although both teams have possible injuries to content with it should still be an exciting contest.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
Sexton is such a fluffybunny
This is a bit unfair. I think he's a pretty good rugby player and leads his team very well.
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
@NTA said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
Sexton is such a fluffybunny
This is a bit unfair. I think he's a pretty good rugby player and leads his team very well.
OK let me revise that: I think he's a fluffybunny who happens to be a pretty good rugby player.
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
@NTA said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
Sexton is such a fluffybunny
This is a bit unfair. I think he's a pretty good rugby player and leads his team very well.
Please forgive NTA, the A stands for Australian. That's a lot to carry.
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
@NTA said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
Sexton is such a fluffybunny
This is a bit unfair. I think he's a pretty good rugby player and leads his team very well.
Totally awesome player. He whines like a bitch because it works. Rugby has a major part of playing the ref, and Ireland do it best. Ten years ago the amount of whining to the ref that we see today wouldn't be stood for. But now it is, and Ireland are the best at it. We used to be best at playing the ref, but now we are so holier than thou that we don't do it. On the field, of the field, you've got to play the ref. Fucking dumb shit bullshit in the pro era that we don't. The keohane article saying Fr, Ire, SA play smart rugby is entirely correct. We try to play beautiful rugby, but we are not great at it and it gives so many advantages to the opposition even when we do it well. So bravo Ireland, deserved number 1.
And if you don't win this RWC it will be the biggest choke ever, along with England women last year
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
We used to be best at playing the ref, but now we are so holier than thou that we don't do it.
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
now we are so holier than thou that we don't do it.
TBH I don't think that's why you're not as dominant as you were.
- Maintaining that level of dominance is statistically close to impossible
- Your development systems aren't producing quite the level of player you had.
Would I be sad if NZ beat Ireland? Fuck no.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
now we are so holier than thou that we don't do it.
TBH I don't think that's why you're not as dominant as you were.
- Maintaining that level of dominance is statistically close to impossible
- Your development systems aren't producing quite the level of player you had.
Would I be sad if NZ beat Ireland? Fuck no.
I'm certainly not saying it's the only reason the abs are poor. Fosters tactics is the main one. But cane barely talks to the ref, good teams are in their ear all game. It sucks, but it's a simple fact. Fucking rassie won the lions series when not even on the Pitch!
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@Machpants said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
And if you don't win this RWC it will be the biggest choke ever, along with England women last year
I'm sure the France and South Africa teams might think the same given their recent dominance and performances.
For Ireland, it would be not winning a quarterfinal again despite having a pretty good team this time round. But then again, they said that in 2007 too. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.
Not sure what the reference to England women means.
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
Not sure what the reference to England women means.
They were beaten by NZ in the women's final, despite being favourites.
New Zealand win thrilling Rugby World Cup final over England
The Black Ferns claim their sixth women's Rugby World Cup title after edging a thrilling match against 14-player England in front of a record 42,579 fans at Eden Park.
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@NTA said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
now we are so holier than thou that we don't do it.
TBH I don't think that's why you're not as dominant as you were.
- Maintaining that level of dominance is statistically close to impossible
- Your development systems aren't producing quite the level of player you had.
..and 3) other teams are so much better prepared and coached and funded than before?
Would I be sad if NZ beat Ireland? Fuck no.
You've been on the Fern for so long and still find us less insufferable than Irish rugby fans?
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
@Machpants said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
And if you don't win this RWC it will be the biggest choke ever, along with England women last year
I'm sure the France and South Africa teams might think the same given their recent dominance and performances.
For Ireland, it would be not winning a quarterfinal again despite having a pretty good team this time round. But then again, they said that in 2007 too. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.
Not sure what the reference to England women means.
Like Ireland, England women were ranked number 1, and were on a record win run. England women choked so badly, they had smashed NZ previous games by record margins. But lost therwc final. If Ireland don't win this world cup, it would be the biggest choke in mens rugby, no other team had come into the RWC on the back of such a winning run
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@Machpants 2007 ABs would like to say hi. 2007 was a massive choke (the nadir that would take them to the promised land in many ways).
Henry’s ABs won 42 from 48 between 2004 to 2007 (87.5% win ratio), won 30 from 33 prior to QF, losing only to a strong SA and competitive Oz away from home. Didn’t lose a game to a NH team at all in that time.
Best France 3-47 in Lyon in 2016, 11-23 in Paris in 2016 and 42-11 in Auckland.
Then imploded in Cardiff.
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@stodders said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
@Machpants 2007 ABs would like to say hi.
Won 42 from 48 from 2004 to 2007 (87.5% win ratio), won 30 from 33 prior to QF, losing only to a strong SA and competitive Oz away from home. Didn’t lose a game to a NH team at all in that time.
Totally but we're objectively fucked over by the ref. And still weren't on a 17 match streak
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Hang on, is this a 'we choked more than you choked' competition?
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@nostrildamus Absolutely!
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@nostrildamus said in RWC Week 5: Ireland v Scotland:
Hang on, is this a 'we choked more than you choked' competition?
Ireland haven't choked
Yet
