Crusaders 2024
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@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
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The preseason jaunt to UK followed by Magicround in Mebourne and a game against the Drua in Fiji, weren't ideal starts. A number of results didn't go our way, where we lost narrowly. Next year is another campaign, needs to be a big review on this season. Some positives to draw on were winning the Under 20s Comp and blooding a number of newbies.
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@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
To me truth lies somewhere in the middle
Crusaders should be in the mix for the top 6 next season
But the days of dominating proceedings I think are done for now
Which is good for the comp. Crusaders become one of a number of contenders
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@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
Next year they still won't have Whitelock, Mo'unga and Razor.
I'll rephrase: how are they different to the 98 Blues who came off similar decades of dominance?
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@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
Next year they still won't have Whitelock, Mo'unga and Razor.
I'll rephrase: how are they different to the 98 Blues who came off similar decades of dominance?
You asked if the quality was there and I just answered saying there is. Nobody doubts that and that’s why it’s all been such a headline this season.
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@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
Next year they still won't have Whitelock, Mo'unga and Razor.
I'll rephrase: how are they different to the 98 Blues who came off similar decades of dominance?
You asked if the quality was there and I just answered saying there is. Nobody doubts that and that’s why it’s all been such a headline this season.
So the 98 Blues had quality as well.
It's lazy to just presume they'll bounce back. The question is 'why'. Is the coaching going to be better? Composure under pressure? What's going to be different?
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@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
Next year they still won't have Whitelock, Mo'unga and Razor.
I'll rephrase: how are they different to the 98 Blues who came off similar decades of dominance?
You asked if the quality was there and I just answered saying there is. Nobody doubts that and that’s why it’s all been such a headline this season.
So the 98 Blues had quality as well.
It's lazy to just presume they'll bounce back. The question is 'why'. Is the coaching going to be better? Composure under pressure? What's going to be different?
How is it lazy when they clearly have quality? Really struggling to pick up on your argument here. If you don’t think they don’t have quality and don’t think they will bounce back then that’s your opinion and I accept it. I’m just giving you mine
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@Landers92 said in Crusaders 2024:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
Next year they still won't have Whitelock, Mo'unga and Razor.
I'll rephrase: how are they different to the 98 Blues who came off similar decades of dominance?
You asked if the quality was there and I just answered saying there is. Nobody doubts that and that’s why it’s all been such a headline this season.
So the 98 Blues had quality as well.
It's lazy to just presume they'll bounce back. The question is 'why'. Is the coaching going to be better? Composure under pressure? What's going to be different?
How is it lazy when they clearly have quality? Really struggling to pick up on your argument here. If you don’t think they don’t have quality and don’t think they will bounce back then that’s your opinion and I accept it. I’m just giving you mine
They had quality this year, and missed the playoffs with an 8/12 team comp.
I guess my question is: what's different next year? They seem a solid mid table team - but I can't see them being dominant again in the short term like they were. My comparison is previous dynasties that, when they fell apart, fell apart for an extended period. Again - what's goin gto be differnet next year?
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@nzzp They have 14 titles that is a dynasty if there ever was, if you are defining it by 7 on the trot, sure that maybe over. The fact we probably have the best academy and under 20s coming up, says we aren't a spent force by any means. Remember not all of those 14 titles happened consecutively, which means they have had off years before, right them off at your peril.
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@nzzp said in Crusaders 2024:
@Landers92 said in Crusaders 2024:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
Next year they still won't have Whitelock, Mo'unga and Razor.
I'll rephrase: how are they different to the 98 Blues who came off similar decades of dominance?
You asked if the quality was there and I just answered saying there is. Nobody doubts that and that’s why it’s all been such a headline this season.
So the 98 Blues had quality as well.
It's lazy to just presume they'll bounce back. The question is 'why'. Is the coaching going to be better? Composure under pressure? What's going to be different?
How is it lazy when they clearly have quality? Really struggling to pick up on your argument here. If you don’t think they don’t have quality and don’t think they will bounce back then that’s your opinion and I accept it. I’m just giving you mine
They had quality this year, and missed the playoffs with an 8/12 team comp.
I guess my question is: what's different next year? They seem a solid mid table team - but I can't see them being dominant again in the short term like they were. My comparison is previous dynasties that, when they fell apart, fell apart for an extended period. Again - what's goin gto be differnet next year?
They'll likely have considerably better luck on the injury front, which on its own should make a huge difference to their season. They were basically never able to get any combinations going throughout the season. How many times were the Crusaders able to field a side even close to their top XV?
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@nzzp said in Crusaders 2024:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
Next year they still won't have Whitelock, Mo'unga and Razor.
I'll rephrase: how are they different to the 98 Blues who came off similar decades of dominance?
You asked if the quality was there and I just answered saying there is. Nobody doubts that and that’s why it’s all been such a headline this season.
So the 98 Blues had quality as well.
It's lazy to just presume they'll bounce back. The question is 'why'. Is the coaching going to be better? Composure under pressure? What's going to be different?
Luck played a factor. Even if their luck on all fronts returns to the mean, the squad they had this year probably more likely wins 7-8 games.
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@frugby said in Crusaders 2024:
@nzzp said in Crusaders 2024:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
@nzzp said in Drua v Rebels:
@Landers92 said in Drua v Rebels:
and you guys will bounce back well next season
why?
Dynasties end - and they are hard to come back from. Is the quality there? I'm not convinced what will be different next year
There’s plenty of quality in that Crusaders team, you’re only kidding yourself if you think there isn’t. So many All Blacks and All Black XV players. For one reason or another it just didn’t gel this season, it happens.
Next year they still won't have Whitelock, Mo'unga and Razor.
I'll rephrase: how are they different to the 98 Blues who came off similar decades of dominance?
You asked if the quality was there and I just answered saying there is. Nobody doubts that and that’s why it’s all been such a headline this season.
So the 98 Blues had quality as well.
It's lazy to just presume they'll bounce back. The question is 'why'. Is the coaching going to be better? Composure under pressure? What's going to be different?
Luck played a factor. Even if their luck on all fronts returns to the mean, the squad they had this year probably more likely wins 7-8 games.
The squad will look a bit different in 2025.
