Blues 2024
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@Steven-Harris move on mate most those players have, U looking the wrong direction continually run down players that aren't involved with Rovers and Coaches first year gone ok
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@frugby Tim Perry - Journeyman. Barely got a go at the Crusaders either.
GPT - The less said the better
Angus Ta'avao - Tu'ungafasi, Faumuina, Laulala all better options. Probably on par with Sione Mafileo.
Bryn Evans - Behind Ali Williams and Athony Boric.
Scott Scrafton - Journeyman who barely started for the Canes in a position they are always weak in.
Dan Pryor - Journeyman who was behind Kaino and Luatua for the 6 jersey, and about on par with Brendan O'Connor at the time. No loss.
Sione Havili - We had Blake Gibson at the time (who was fit) and Dalton Papali'i and now have Anton Segner and Adrian Choat fighting for the 7 shirt.
Joe Edwards - Great guy but yeah, no need to go too far into detail there.
JGP - Yeah, he's gone on to bigger and better things, but he had 3 seasons here with mixed success, featured for one season behind Perenara at the Canes then left. No one else seemed keen on taking a punt on him here so t the time, no loss.
Bryn Gatland - He's had about the same success away from the Blues as he had while playing at the Blues. Solid journeyman, nothing more.
Rico Gear - Great player but was stuck behind Howlett, Muliaina, Rokocoko and Caucaunibuca in 2003, got plenty of opportunity in 2004 and played very well before going to the Crusaders. Don't see what more the Blues could have done there, he wanted to go. It is what it is.
Levi Aumua - Didn't get much of an opportunity here and nor did the Blues need him. Again, no one else wanted a bar of him either apart from Moana Pasifika where he shone on attack where the game plan was to get him the ball as much as possible. Defence still a worry, which the Blues coaches weren't impressed with either. Again, hardly a loss.
Fekitoa - Yeah, we missed out there, but at the same time, Ranger and Francis Saili were our best players in 2013 where both got ABs callups, and Fekitoa admitted himself that he got lazy and started missing trainings etc. but yes, we missed the boat there as Ranger left and Saili proved to be a 1 year wonder.
Waisake Naholo - Yeah another one that slipped through. At the same time, Frank Halai had a good season in 2013 where he also managed to get an ABs callup, and George Moala was one of our best players in what was a lean period for the Blues. Probably written off a bit too early as Halai's form also fell off a cliff after 2013, but hey, it happens.
Emoni Narawa - We have enough quality outside backs. Good on him for moving on and doing well for himself. No use him staying at the Blues behind a whole heap of outside backs.So out of that list, probably 2 we could have gotten more out of. The rest, meh.
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@African-Monkey said in Blues 2024:
@frugby Tim Perry - Journeyman. Barely got a go at the Crusaders either.
GPT - The less said the better
Angus Ta'avao - Tu'ungafasi, Faumuina, Laulala all better options. Probably on par with Sione Mafileo.
Bryn Evans - Behind Ali Williams and Athony Boric.
Scott Scrafton - Journeyman who barely started for the Canes in a position they are always weak in.
Dan Pryor - Journeyman who was behind Kaino and Luatua for the 6 jersey, and about on par with Brendan O'Connor at the time. No loss.
Sione Havili - We had Blake Gibson at the time (who was fit) and Dalton Papali'i and now have Anton Segner and Adrian Choat fighting for the 7 shirt.
Joe Edwards - Great guy but yeah, no need to go too far into detail there.
JGP - Yeah, he's gone on to bigger and better things, but he had 3 seasons here with mixed success, featured for one season behind Perenara at the Canes then left. No one else seemed keen on taking a punt on him here so t the time, no loss.
Bryn Gatland - He's had about the same success away from the Blues as he had while playing at the Blues. Solid journeyman, nothing more.
Rico Gear - Great player but was stuck behind Howlett, Muliaina, Rokocoko and Caucaunibuca in 2003, got plenty of opportunity in 2004 and played very well before going to the Crusaders. Don't see what more the Blues could have done there, he wanted to go. It is what it is.
Levi Aumua - Didn't get much of an opportunity here and nor did the Blues need him. Again, no one else wanted a bar of him either apart from Moana Pasifika where he shone on attack where the game plan was to get him the ball as much as possible. Defence still a worry, which the Blues coaches weren't impressed with either. Again, hardly a loss.
Fekitoa - Yeah, we missed out there, but at the same time, Ranger and Francis Saili were our best players in 2013 where both got ABs callups, and Fekitoa admitted himself that he got lazy and started missing trainings etc. but yes, we missed the boat there as Ranger left and Saili proved to be a 1 year wonder.
Waisake Naholo - Yeah another one that slipped through. At the same time, Frank Halai had a good season in 2013 where he also managed to get an ABs callup, and George Moala was one of our best players in what was a lean period for the Blues. Probably written off a bit too early as Halai's form also fell off a cliff after 2013, but hey, it happens.
Emoni Narawa - We have enough quality outside backs. Good on him for moving on and doing well for himself. No use him staying at the Blues behind a whole heap of outside backs.So out of that list, probably 2 we could have gotten more out of. The rest, meh.
I guess this comes to the old glass half full, glass half empty sort of thing. I think you have probably exaggerated how poor some of these guys are, but the broader point was more that there was a time where the Blues weren't getting the best out of the players they had, and weren't recruiting well either, coupled with letting the wrong players go... a lot of that was to do with John Kirwan being a disaster which set you back a few years.
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@frugby Journeyman doesn't suggest the player was poor, just suggests that they weren't really improving the squad. Who was I being harsh on? I think I was pretty fair on all of them. Yeah, our coaching selections were poor and there were problems off the field which contributed to the problems on the field, but all it is at the end of the day was us going through a tough period. Everyone except the Crusaders (apart from 1996) have had them.
The Highlanders are going through it currently, but it won't last forever.
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@African-Monkey said in Blues 2024:
@frugby Journeyman doesn't suggest the player was poor, just suggests that they weren't really improving the squad.
Thanks for that, I assumed it really meant they didn't have X-factor, stand-out qualities for improvement, or worth taking to the next level but could play ok at this level. Which isn't your definition but maybe that is what most mean on here? Then I might need another term.
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@nostrildamus Yeah yeah haha, you know what I was getting at, I was replying to the fact that I suggested that players were at a poor standard which I didn't say.
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My 37 with a prop to be added
Fullback Stephen Perofeta, Payton Spencer
WINGS Mark Talea, Caleb Clarke,AJ Lam, Xavier Tito Harris
MIDFIELD Reiko Ioane,Bryce Heem,Corey Evans, Harry Plummer,Taniela Tel'ea
FIRST FIVE Zarn Sullivan,Jock McKenzie
HALFBACK Finlay Christie,Taufa Funaki,Sam Nick
LOOSE FORWARD Hoskins Sotutu, Dalton Papalili, Akira Ioane,Rob Rush,Che Clark,Anton Segner,Cameron Suafua, Adrian Choat
LOCKS Patrick Tuipolotu,Sam Darry, Edward Annandale,Lachlan McWhannell,Josh Beehre
PROPS Ofa, Marcel Renata,Josh Fusitua,PJ Sheck,Angus Ta'avao
HOOKER Kurt Eklund, Ricky Riccitelli, Soane Vikena
