Super Rugby 2024
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2024:
@SouthernMann said in Super Rugby 2024:
We often complain about poor comms coming out of the teams we support. Here is an example of why. An advertisement for a comms lead for the Hurricanes and Wellington. A lot of weekend work. A bit of crisis management and org comms. Paying about 50k under what someone with the desired skillset may command in a Wellington comms role. https://www.seek.co.nz/job/68153720?type=standard#sol=51eec86c561218f76a490e26cc39de6489ef8920
Man, they certainly want everything for nothing.
No wonder the output to fans is low. There simply wouldn't be the time.
That salary for that workload surely wouldn't attract the experience you'd want.Pro sport only exists because fans exist. Fans that pay for merch/viewing/attendance/provide contacts to sponsors etc.
You'd think that comms and engagement would be the business area with the most easily traced relationship between investment (salaries etc) and targets.
However, if engagement isn't a KPI measure then maybe not.its the type of thing id love to do if you'd won a bit of money on lotto, maybe not enough to sail away on a boat but if you needed something live off day to day after paying off the mortgage
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2024:
@SouthernMann said in Super Rugby 2024:
We often complain about poor comms coming out of the teams we support. Here is an example of why. An advertisement for a comms lead for the Hurricanes and Wellington. A lot of weekend work. A bit of crisis management and org comms. Paying about 50k under what someone with the desired skillset may command in a Wellington comms role. https://www.seek.co.nz/job/68153720?type=standard#sol=51eec86c561218f76a490e26cc39de6489ef8920
Man, they certainly want everything for nothing.
No wonder the output to fans is low. There simply wouldn't be the time.
That salary for that workload surely wouldn't attract the experience you'd want.Pro sport only exists because fans exist. Fans that pay for merch/viewing/attendance/provide contacts to sponsors etc.
You'd think that comms and engagement would be the business area with the most easily traced relationship between investment (salaries etc) and targets.
However, if engagement isn't a KPI measure then maybe not.its the type of thing id love to do if you'd won a bit of money on lotto, maybe not enough to sail away on a boat but if you needed something live off day to day after paying off the mortgage
Have you read the JD though. Seems like two jobs blended into one. One is the media manager/fire fighter/keep to the strategy, then there's the 'fun' stuff of SM engagement. Either of which is probably a full time role if done well.
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@Crucial no, wasn't serious enough to actually read it, just would be cool to be involved if money wasn't a factor, briefly considered trying to get a admin/reception job at the local whiskey distillery just because it could be fun to be involved...but you know...mortgage
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Sanzaar has been forced to put out a statement “to clear up any misunderstanding” about the window for the Rugby Championship after Rugby Australia chair Hamish McLennan claimed it could move to March-April from its current place of August-September on the calendar.
McLennan, who is currently chair of Sanzaar, told a NZME podcast that Australia was open to moving it to earlier in the year in support of South Africa, but that NZ Rugby was in opposition.
“It’s going to land on NZ Rugby’s doorstep, and they’ve got to decide what they’re going to do,” he said.
However, within hours Sanzaar shot down that suggestion, noting that despite the claims of its own chair a deal to keep the Rugby Championship in place had already been signed earlier this year.“Sanzaar can reiterate that until 2026 the existing mini-tour match schedule is locked in.
“Furthermore, the Rugby Championship window will not change from 2026 with the national unions working on competition models for the August/September window to ensure maximum high performance and commercial outcomes.
“Sanzaar is part of World Rugby’s working programme that is exploring the potential creation of a global calendar, and review of playing windows, as part of the Games’ work on the wider Regulation 9 (player availability) review.
“The Sanzaar Executive Committee has agreed the Rugby Championship has to fit into the existing sanctioned World Rugby playing windows for international rugby matches.
“Sanzaar apologises for any confusion on the Rugby Championship playing schedule.”I think it's fair to assume you can also forget about Super Rugby being moved.
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@Machpants An Australian trying to be an obnoxious American. Classic case.
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Machpants An Australian trying to be an obnoxious American. Classic case.
Is there a factory for these guys over there?
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2024:
Paddy Gower Has Issues: NZ Rugby 'incredibly open' to dramatic changes to Super Rugby player eligibility rules | Newshub
Mark Robinson says allowing NZ contracted players to play for Australian or Pasifika teams is a concept the competition "should be moving towards quite quickly".
looking forward to watching @Stargazer and @Dan54 burying their heads further into the sand on this one
Not burying my head, it's a shit idea. and one that will cause problems etc. Bottom line is if Aussie want to let thir players play anywhere in world and play for Wallabies, why the f*** are their and needing NZ to prop up their teams? Why don't we just call it what it will be, NZ super rugby comp with a couple of teams based in Aussie?
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2024:
Sanzaar has been forced to put out a statement “to clear up any misunderstanding” about the window for the Rugby Championship after Rugby Australia chair Hamish McLennan claimed it could move to March-April from its current place of August-September on the calendar.
McLennan, who is currently chair of Sanzaar, told a NZME podcast that Australia was open to moving it to earlier in the year in support of South Africa, but that NZ Rugby was in opposition.
“It’s going to land on NZ Rugby’s doorstep, and they’ve got to decide what they’re going to do,” he said.
However, within hours Sanzaar shot down that suggestion, noting that despite the claims of its own chair a deal to keep the Rugby Championship in place had already been signed earlier this year.“Sanzaar can reiterate that until 2026 the existing mini-tour match schedule is locked in.
“Furthermore, the Rugby Championship window will not change from 2026 with the national unions working on competition models for the August/September window to ensure maximum high performance and commercial outcomes.
“Sanzaar is part of World Rugby’s working programme that is exploring the potential creation of a global calendar, and review of playing windows, as part of the Games’ work on the wider Regulation 9 (player availability) review.
“The Sanzaar Executive Committee has agreed the Rugby Championship has to fit into the existing sanctioned World Rugby playing windows for international rugby matches.
“Sanzaar apologises for any confusion on the Rugby Championship playing schedule.”I think it's fair to assume you can also forget about Super Rugby being moved.
Does Hamish ever stop and think before he spouts off in the press? It never stops!
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@Tim Maybe, the way the WR Nations Championship - in the current state of negotiations (we don't know where they are at) is taking shape doesn't affect the window that the Rugby Championship will be played, and therefore also not when SR will be played?
Or there are special clauses in the SANZAAR agreement about TRC/Super Rugby, that allow for a change when the WR Nations Championship does result in changes in the playing window in 2026?
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Rugby's 'crossroads': Hansen fears for future of game if changes not made
World Cup-winning coach says the NRL is a better product to watch at the moment.
“There’s no dispute that Super Rugby has to change. It’s pretty predictable and still stuck where it was four or five years ago. You go through the quarter-finals and it wasn’t that exciting as you knew who was going to win. Some of the ideas that have been floated by New Zealand Rugby and Australia are quite good ones, so let’s hope people are more flexible enough and more open enough to hear those ideas and maybe put them in place.
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@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2024:
Paddy Gower Has Issues: NZ Rugby 'incredibly open' to dramatic changes to Super Rugby player eligibility rules | Newshub
Mark Robinson says allowing NZ contracted players to play for Australian or Pasifika teams is a concept the competition "should be moving towards quite quickly".
looking forward to watching @Stargazer and @Dan54 burying their heads further into the sand on this one
Not burying my head, it's a shit idea. and one that will cause problems etc. Bottom line is if Aussie want to let thir players play anywhere in world and play for Wallabies, why the f*** are their and needing NZ to prop up their teams? Why don't we just call it what it will be, NZ super rugby comp with a couple of teams based in Aussie?
It clear that you and Stargazer are in obstinate denial on this, look past your shallow simplistic view & think about the competition as a whole, this insular mindset of us vs them is appalling on here, consider the game in Australasia, consider the bigger picture for once, not just the health of our national side.
Anyway, just as I predicted on here a few months ago your stance is becoming a minority.
The NZR is for it, the NZ players association is for it, the ARU is for it, Steve Hansen appears to be for it.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2024:
Paddy Gower Has Issues: NZ Rugby 'incredibly open' to dramatic changes to Super Rugby player eligibility rules | Newshub
Mark Robinson says allowing NZ contracted players to play for Australian or Pasifika teams is a concept the competition "should be moving towards quite quickly".
looking forward to watching @Stargazer and @Dan54 burying their heads further into the sand on this one
Not burying my head, it's a shit idea. and one that will cause problems etc. Bottom line is if Aussie want to let thir players play anywhere in world and play for Wallabies, why the f*** are their and needing NZ to prop up their teams? Why don't we just call it what it will be, NZ super rugby comp with a couple of teams based in Aussie?
It clear that you and Stargazer are in obstinate denial on this, look past your shallow simplistic view & think about the competition as a whole, this insular mindset of us vs them is appalling on here, consider the game in Australasia, consider the bigger picture for once, not just the health of our national side.
Anyway, just as I predicted on here a few months ago your stance is becoming a minority.
The NZR is for it, the NZ players association is for it, the ARU is for it, Steve Hansen appears to be for it.
Resorting to name-calling and playing the man is a sign of weakness, resulting from arrogance and a poverty of arguments.
You just post link after link and quote after quote from the same people, or with the same content, trying to make it look as if there are many people supporting those ideas, but the fact is that this is just a small group of journos who are reporting the same interviews with only a few people and publish from each other's work.
I can't even be bothered anymore to reply to you with counter-arguments (like, again, not just looking at crowd numbers but at total viewer numbers), because you dont' want to hear them. You're so bad at reading other people's opinions, that you totally miss the nuance in them. I can't speak for @Dan54, but I'm not against change, but the ideas have to be well-considered and all negative consequences have to be addressed first.
And finally, Mark Robinson isn't NZR. He's their CEO, but doesn't take the decisions. Still a lot of water to go under the bridge.
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@Stargazer I'd suggest the views of those attached to rugby at an elite level (respectfully) carries more weight.
Shag is always good when it comes to viewing the big picture, he thinks deeply about the game at a broader level.
"Hopefully we’re open and flexible enough in our thinking to try that. The idea of having a draft and the idea of being able to interchange players... shouldn’t hold any fears with our New Zealand players being able to play for the All Blacks."
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2024:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Tim said in Super Rugby 2024:
Paddy Gower Has Issues: NZ Rugby 'incredibly open' to dramatic changes to Super Rugby player eligibility rules | Newshub
Mark Robinson says allowing NZ contracted players to play for Australian or Pasifika teams is a concept the competition "should be moving towards quite quickly".
looking forward to watching @Stargazer and @Dan54 burying their heads further into the sand on this one
Not burying my head, it's a shit idea. and one that will cause problems etc. Bottom line is if Aussie want to let thir players play anywhere in world and play for Wallabies, why the f*** are their and needing NZ to prop up their teams? Why don't we just call it what it will be, NZ super rugby comp with a couple of teams based in Aussie?
It clear that you and Stargazer are in obstinate denial on this, look past your shallow simplistic view & think about the competition as a whole, this insular mindset of us vs them is appalling on here, consider the game in Australasia, consider the bigger picture for once, not just the health of our national side.
Anyway, just as I predicted on here a few months ago your stance is becoming a minority.
The NZR is for it, the NZ players association is for it, the ARU is for it, Steve Hansen appears to be for it.
NZR have demonstrated remarkable incompetence, as has the ARU and from about 2017 I've thought the less I hear from Hansen going forward, the happier I'll be.
The reason it's stupid is simple: Imagine being a Kiwi kid who is an absolute gun, destined by talent and work ethic to be a FAB. The draft comes along and next thing you know, the next three-four years of your career are at the Western Force, because they're cellar dwellers and get to have first choice at the draft. Your entire career is now fucked.
A draft works when the aspirants have no other choice. Rugby is a world game and players can fuck off and earn comparative (or higher) coin overseas. AFL and NFL players can't do that.
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@antipodean Reading comprehension - Please point out where I have discussed a draft? Only changes to Super Rugby player eligibility rules I've mentioned (hence the Mark Robinson interview that was posted earlier) I certainly wouldn't mind a draft either - anything that improves Super Rugby as a product (obviously...) should be explored, otherwise the people overseeing the comp aren't doing their job, oh wait they don't even have a dedicated CEO or board for SR - I rest my case.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2024:
@antipodean Reading comprehension - Please point out where I have discussed a draft? Only changes to Super Rugby player eligibility rules I've mentioned (hence the Mark Robinson interview that was posted earlier) I certainly wouldn't mind a draft either - anything that improves Super Rugby as a product (obviously...) should be explored, otherwise the people overseeing the comp aren't doing their job, oh wait they don't even have a dedicated CEO or board for SR - I rest my case.
The changes to eligibility rules being:
Robinson expect this and other ideas like a salary cap and a draft system will be considered with the establishment of the Super Rugby Commission - a new entity charged with overseeing and developing the competition.
Fuck knows what case you're resting on. A draft is daft as I've demonstrated. Eligibility is the same: No sensible AB coach is going to select players that have been ridden to death and coached poorly in AU. They're competing interests.
Long term the issue to resolving the SR competition is obvious and even RA acknowledges that they need to fix their pathways. Once they become competitive, the engagement and value increases, becoming a rugby perpetual motion machine.
