Super Rugby 2024
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@canefan said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2024:
The average attendance for each NZ team in Super Rugby has been finalised below. I miscalculated the Canes one initially because I factored in too many games.
Blues: average attendance of 21k
Hurricanes: average attendance of 16.1k
Chiefs: average attendance of 14.2k
Crusaders: average attendance of 12.6k
Highlanders: average attendance of 12.5kOn that basis, no stadium in NZ needs to have a capacity larger than the Caketin
As mentioned elsewhere, we need one national stadium and all ABs games are there. It is how it is done in most countries, and with our small pop it makes real sense here in NZ. I would say the same thing even if I was living down in the 'rapa rather than Northland. One big stadium in AKL, NZR should make sure they get (part) ownership of it and then it can make money like Twickers or Millenium
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@Bovidae they sold out for the clash against the Hurricanes so a few more of those would have boosted the numbers. What's the capacity of FMG?
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@Canes4life ~25K with a full Greenzone. Only 6 home games for the Chiefs, three of which were MP, the Force and Drua.
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Canes4life ~25K with a full Greenzone. Only 6 home games for the Chiefs, three of which were MP, the Force and Drua.
6 games is a stupidly low number for a comp, not much to make money on there
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@Machpants said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Canes4life ~25K with a full Greenzone. Only 6 home games for the Chiefs, three of which were MP, the Force and Drua.
6 games is a stupidly low number for a comp, not much to make money on there
It will be interesting to see what they do next year with 11 teams because that could drop to 5 if they do a singular round robin. Definitely won't please key stakeholders because unless you make the playoffs, you're almost certain to run at a loss.
Would a home and away fixture schedule work or would that not align with the rest of the rugby calendar?
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It should be a round and a half or a round and 3/4 competition. Then there is a balance between what is best for the competition and what is best the franchises in terms of gate takings. Local derbies make more money, they are also harder to win. The fairest competition wpuld be two full rounds. Home and away. There is just no appetite for a 26 week competition. The Highlanders this year got two games against the Blues and Hurricanes. The best teams in the comps. We only got to play NZ's worst side the Crusaders once, same with Australia's worst side the Waratahs. A round and a bit is always difficult from a fairness perspective.
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going back 5 or so years, when the Blues played at Okara, the costs NRU had to pay to host saw 10k as the break-even figure, however I believe that has changed slightly as the Blues also used to charge a fee to host the games, unsure if this is still the case.
So you'd think at larger venues, the cost would increase considerably?
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the short term fix is working out how to only open the stand opposite the camera, i know none of these stadiums were designed to only partially open.....but it just seems obvious, some temp fencing or gates, pack these crowds in, start making it look like a fun place to spend a few hours
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
the short term fix is working out how to only open the stand opposite the camera, i know none of these stadiums were designed to only partially open.....but it just seems obvious, some temp fencing or gates, pack these crowds in, start making it look like a fun place to spend a few hours
This is happening more.
For the most part the Cake Tin crowd are opposite the main camera.
I've noticed this season Eden Park have closed most of the old eastern terraces which makes the north stand and corner stand look fuller.
It works well.
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Stuff's NZ SR team of the season. Dominated by Hurricanes although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named. Also, for those who criticise Stevenson's defence from fullback, Love only has a 69% tackle success rate himself. More detail in the article below.
15 Ruben Love (Hurricanes)
14 Sevu Reece (Crusaders)
13 Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
12 Bryce Heem (Blues)
11 Caleb Clarke (Blues)
10 Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)
9 TJ Perenara (Hurricanes)
8 Hoskins Sotutu (Blues)
7 Peter Lakai (Hurricanes)
6 Cullen Grace (Crusaders)
5 Fabian Holland (Highlanders)
4 Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)
3 Tyrel Lomax (Hurricanes)
2 Asafo Aumua (Hurricanes)
1 Xavier Numia (Hurricanes) -
hard to disagree from what i watched and the chat on here
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2024:
the short term fix is working out how to only open the stand opposite the camera, i know none of these stadiums were designed to only partially open.....but it just seems obvious, some temp fencing or gates, pack these crowds in, start making it look like a fun place to spend a few hours
This is happening more.
For the most part the Cake Tin crowd are opposite the main camera.
I've noticed this season Eden Park have closed most of the old eastern terraces which makes the north stand and corner stand look fuller.
It works well.
Eden park obvious has too do it more being so big to start with, dont feel Forsyth barr does is much as i often think the crowd is disappointing and then you get a reverse angle and north stand is quite full
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
Stuff's NZ SR team of the season. Dominated by Hurricanes although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named. Also, for those who criticise Stevenson's defence from fullback, Love only has a 69% tackle success rate himself. More detail in the article below.
15 Ruben Love (Hurricanes)
14 Sevu Reece (Crusaders)
13 Billy Proctor (Hurricanes)
12 Bryce Heem (Blues)
11 Caleb Clarke (Blues)
10 Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)
9 TJ Perenara (Hurricanes)
8 Hoskins Sotutu (Blues)
7 Peter Lakai (Hurricanes)
6 Cullen Grace (Crusaders)
5 Fabian Holland (Highlanders)
4 Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues)
3 Tyrel Lomax (Hurricanes)
2 Asafo Aumua (Hurricanes)
1 Xavier Numia (Hurricanes)That side seems pretty spot on for me apart from maybe Grace. Probably the first time in history we've had the form front row in the comp. Could be the reason we go all the way this year as long as Lomax gets back on the park.
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named
It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.
I'm guessing Cully felt he needed to include at least one from each franchise and there's been no standout at 6 (Finau slightly inconsistent, Ioane missed a lot of matches etc.. but they had far better seasons than Grace)
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@Duluth said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named
It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.
I'm guessing Cully felt he needed to include at least one from each franchise and there's been no standout at 6 (Finau slightly inconsistent, Ioane missed a lot of matches etc.. but they had far better seasons than Grace)
Flanders has also been pretty impressive for the Canes, almost to the point he's pushing Shields out of his spot.
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@Duluth said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named
It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.
They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed. And Reece is included so there is a Crusader.
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Duluth said in Super Rugby 2024:
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
although the selection of the 6 might be softening the blow when the ABs are named
It's ridiculous. He got slightly better in the final third of the season but he was abysmal early on. Some laughable efforts on defence.
They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed. And Reece is included so there is a Crusader.
I know that some people on here have been able to get their hands on stats harder to access, I'd be fascinated to see them for 6s.
If Grace gets named at 6, I'll fucking laugh my tits off. He's got talent but has been terrible / good / terrible / good. We don't need a pasty white Frizell.
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2024:
They mention that Grace is in the top 10 of tackles made, not the number he missed
Number 4 on tackles missed. Behind only Tom Horton, Tamati Tua & Chase Tiatia
Number one on the worst defensive game by a single player with 8 misses in a match
The last 1/3 of the season I would say his defence has been fine. That first 2/3 was abysmal. He was a big factor in the early Crusaders losses
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