India v Aus
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@Chris said in India v Aus:
Brain fade by Australia in dropping Travis Head plays spin better than most Aussie batsmen.
Hanscome a decent bat but not on the level Head has been at for the last 2 years.
Maybe they freaked out over the way they thought the pitch was being prepared and dropped a leftie but still over reacting before the pitch is fully prepared.Unusually by their standards, Australia seem to have lost the mind games before they start. Between getting Ashwin's action-doppelganger to bowl to them in the build-up, all the chat about the pitch, and leaving out Travis Head, India must be delighted about how rent-free they seem to be living in the minds of the Baggy Green.
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@Donsteppa said in India v Aus:
@Chris said in India v Aus:
Brain fade by Australia in dropping Travis Head plays spin better than most Aussie batsmen.
Hanscome a decent bat but not on the level Head has been at for the last 2 years.
Maybe they freaked out over the way they thought the pitch was being prepared and dropped a leftie but still over reacting before the pitch is fully prepared.Unusually by their standards, Australia seem to have lost the mind games before they start. Between getting Ashwin's action-doppelganger to bowl to them in the build-up, all the chat about the pitch, and leaving out Travis Head, India must be delighted about how rent-free they seem to be living in the minds of the Baggy Green.
Yep Australia seem to have over thought this tour and gone away from what has made them successful,
Australia just need to pull back and play what is in front of them and not look for demons. -
@Donsteppa said in India v Aus:
@Chris said in India v Aus:
Brain fade by Australia in dropping Travis Head plays spin better than most Aussie batsmen.
Hanscome a decent bat but not on the level Head has been at for the last 2 years.
Maybe they freaked out over the way they thought the pitch was being prepared and dropped a leftie but still over reacting before the pitch is fully prepared.Unusually by their standards, Australia seem to have lost the mind games before they start. Between getting Ashwin's action-doppelganger to bowl to them in the build-up, all the chat about the pitch, and leaving out Travis Head, India must be delighted about how rent-free they seem to be living in the minds of the Baggy Green.
I blame New Age captaincy.
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@Chris said in India v Aus:
Brain fade by Australia in dropping Travis Head plays spin better than most Aussie batsmen.
Hanscome a decent bat but not on the level Head has been at for the last 2 years.
Maybe they freaked out over the way they thought the pitch was being prepared and dropped a leftie but still over reacting before the pitch is fully prepared.From what I have listened to, in podcasts for a few months, Head not likely to play in India, or not even tour , was forecast a long way out - so not freaking out about the specific pitch. Based on him being being poor v spin.
I've never watched him in Asia, so I have no opinion. I'm surprised though at your 100% different take.
He scored zilch in 5 tests last year in SL and Pak. So, that is what the decision is based on.
They have also lost Chris Green, though, since this planning - so going even deeper into their not-Head depth.
But, players can improve. This also used to be their selector's policy on Khawaja for a while.
Also, in the other column, Head went on to be the batsman of their summer, while this planning was presumably fermenting.
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@antipodean said in India v Aus:
@Donsteppa said in India v Aus:
@Chris said in India v Aus:
Brain fade by Australia in dropping Travis Head plays spin better than most Aussie batsmen.
Hanscome a decent bat but not on the level Head has been at for the last 2 years.
Maybe they freaked out over the way they thought the pitch was being prepared and dropped a leftie but still over reacting before the pitch is fully prepared.Unusually by their standards, Australia seem to have lost the mind games before they start. Between getting Ashwin's action-doppelganger to bowl to them in the build-up, all the chat about the pitch, and leaving out Travis Head, India must be delighted about how rent-free they seem to be living in the minds of the Baggy Green.
I blame New Age captaincy.
Langer would have picked the best XI players and told them to be tough. Hand holding and being cerebral is fine against the shit teams playing at home.
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@mariner4life said in India v Aus:
@antipodean said in India v Aus:
@Donsteppa said in India v Aus:
@Chris said in India v Aus:
Brain fade by Australia in dropping Travis Head plays spin better than most Aussie batsmen.
Hanscome a decent bat but not on the level Head has been at for the last 2 years.
Maybe they freaked out over the way they thought the pitch was being prepared and dropped a leftie but still over reacting before the pitch is fully prepared.Unusually by their standards, Australia seem to have lost the mind games before they start. Between getting Ashwin's action-doppelganger to bowl to them in the build-up, all the chat about the pitch, and leaving out Travis Head, India must be delighted about how rent-free they seem to be living in the minds of the Baggy Green.
I blame New Age captaincy.
Langer would have picked the best XI players and told them to be tough. Hand holding and being cerebral is fine against the shit teams playing at home.
Langer would have picked people who demonstrate elite mateship. Loyalty more important than skill
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@Rapido said in India v Aus:
@Chris said in India v Aus:
Brain fade by Australia in dropping Travis Head plays spin better than most Aussie batsmen.
Hanscome a decent bat but not on the level Head has been at for the last 2 years.
Maybe they freaked out over the way they thought the pitch was being prepared and dropped a leftie but still over reacting before the pitch is fully prepared.From what I have listened to, in podcasts for a few months, Head not likely to play in India, or not even tour , was forecast a long way out - so not freaking out about the specific pitch. Based on him being being poor v spin.
I've never watched him in Asia, so I have no opinion. I'm surprised though at your 100% different take.
He scored zilch in 5 tests last year in SL and Pak. So, that is what the decision is based on.
They have also lost Chris Green, though, since this planning - so going even deeper into their not-Head depth.
But, players can improve. This also used to be their selector's policy on Khawaja for a while.
Also, in the other column, Head went on to be the batsman of their summer, while this planning was presumably fermenting.
I am not sure about podcasts which I don't always listen to here in Australia because it is not always fact.
What I can tell you is When the Gabba test was on we get allocated a test player to come to the Queensland under 19 training,As we were preparing the team for the National championships in Adelaide we requested a batsmen for a Spin session we were running due to playing in Adelaide were spin is quite dominant.
Andrew McDonald came down with Travis Head who Andrew told us was the best player of Spin in the test squad.And he was excellent in helping develop plans to play spin in Adelaide.Worked well I must add as we made the Final but did lose the Final to NSW Metro.
Marnus and Uzzie came down being Qld boys and helped out as well, they also said Travis was the man for the spin sessions..
Travis Head coming from South Australia was bought up playing spin.
talking to the Qld bulls spinners Mitch etc they say he is one of the better players of Spin.
So I only know what I see and opinions of people in the Australian cricket system.Not so much what is said on podcasts. -
My favourite thing on the fern right now is people telling @Chris how wrong he is about cricket
And him then quietly tearing their opinions to shreds with real shit
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It's probably from The Final Word podcast that I have been hearing that.
Predicting he would tour (as a longer term bet, for future tours) but not in the Plan A test team. And to be fair, they are 100% correct so far.
Despite even Cam Green being out from the first choice home top6, another 2 batters have leapfrogged Head. So someone in the heirachy doesn't rate him in these conditions. That says they have him at best only 8th choice for one of the top 6 positions.
'They' may end up being wrong about Head v spin in Asia right now, but that doesn't make me change my mind that it isn't a knee-jerk over-reaction to the pitch. It's presumably a reaction to Head's performances in Asia 2022.
It reads to me that they had good oil on the selection thinking from a long way out.
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@mariner4life said in India v Aus:
My favourite thing on the fern right now is people telling @Chris how wrong he is about cricket
And him then quietly tearing their opinions to shreds with real shit
Yeah.
Expressing surprise that 2 sources with some inside knowledge have 100% different views, while explicitly stating I had no personal opinion.
= "how wrong he is about cricket".
ok.
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@Rapido said in India v Aus:
It's probably from The Final Word podcast that I have been hearing that.
Predicting he would tour (as a longer term bet, for future tours) but not in the Plan A test team. And to be fair, they are 100% correct so far.
Despite even Cam Green being out from the first choice home top6, another 2 batters have leapfrogged Head. So someone in the heirachy doesn't rate him in these conditions. That says they have him at best only 8th choice for one of the top 6 positions.
'They' may end up being wrong about Head v spin in Asia right now, but that doesn't make me change my mind that it isn't a knee-jerk over-reaction to the pitch. It's presumably a reaction to Head's performances in Asia 2022.
It reads to me that they had good oil on the selection thinking from a long way out.
Not sure about Travis Head being all bad and a failure in the sub continent he made a duck in his First inns v Pakistain in Dubai then a very good 75 in the 2nd inns on a wkt turning more than the 1st innings.And that was his First test in those conditions.
Not sure about inside knowledge but Maybe Andrew McDonald who is the Australia Hc and Marnes and Uzzie might have some inside knowledge.
Expect to see Head back in for the next 2 tests.One thing I will, add Pat Cummins maybe really tested as Captain on this tour,I suspect he maybe found wanting as the Captain.
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Head will definitely be in the team by the end of the series, if not the second test. The Australian selectors will be experiencing the Mike Tyson quote of having a plan until you're punched in the nose.
Although, tbf, churning through at least 2 batting replacements to the original starting 11, would probably be par for the course on a test tour of India (if of at lease 3 tests or more long).
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@Rapido said in India v Aus:
I draw from this that it appears Andrew MacDonald has bugger all say in selection.
I think its more they didn't want to play 5 lefties so Head went, bad decision as Renshaw did nothing and will struggle we all know here if we bowl spin at Matt in certain areas he fails.
As soon as Matt comes out in club on come the spinners and he normally struggles especially to orthodox Offies.
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@Donsteppa said in India v Aus:
This test is turning into the Rohit Sharma and Assorted Rabble With The Bat show...
Though Jadeja may yet join in...
bloody hell. DRS has been a huge asset for the game overall -- but they just ruled pad first on a simultaneous impact. Reeeeealy tough on the batsman. Thankfully not out on impact in line (umpires call) -- but that decision doesn't seem right. Still some work to do.
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India get 400 and push the lead out to 223.
Pressure on the Aussies. Ashwin and Jadeja will be gunning for blood with a few of these Aussie batters
@NTA that Warner dismissal was a symptom of him not playing straight.
