Most valuable player in WC to team
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@mariner4life Amen mate, geez we miss the Saffa teams!
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@mariner4life said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
It is damning of "Super" rugby that the standard of play at 10 in both NZ and Australia has fallen off a cliff.
It starts way before Super Rugby. College Rugby and the effect of TV showings blowing smoke up young fellas is a big part. You can add to that the loss of any sort of apprenticeship for 10s and the desire of coaches at school/club levels to put big munters at 12 to get go forward and ask the 10 to just be a shoveller.
10s need to learn how to control a game. How to kick for territory and to break teams down. Cast doubt in the opposition defensive plans etc.
Just like how a young cricketer will struggle to get noticed with a good openers technique, a young 10 that doesn't feed the ball constantly to the backs won't last long.
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@mariner4life said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
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@nzzp said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@mariner4life said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
It is damning of "Super" rugby that the standard of play at 10 in both NZ and Australia has fallen off a cliff.
It's rapidly becoming the competition the Walrus said it was. Success at Super is no longer a good predictor of success at Test level
Globetrotters rugby indeed
it's also seriously imbalanced. If you took what i would consider to be the 26 "elite" players in NZ, or those most likely penned in to an AB squad
The Blues and Crusaders have 8 each. The chiefs 4, Highlanders and Hurricanes 3 each. Throw in the general weakness of the Australian teams and you really only need to be good a couple of times a year to win the comp.
That's not breeding the right players.So it's what one considers the 26 elite players? That's seems awfully subjective. For the record I think Chiefs have a squad that is very capable of winning 2023, the Hurricanes as well, both sides have a lot of young talent hitting their athletic peak years. When you look at the age profile of those two squads they have so many talented players hitting 23/24/25 this season. I think Chiefs squad is as good as Blues and Crusaders.
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@kiwi_expat take your boring narrative back to the Derp thread please
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@mariner4life I beg to disagree. In finals footie, all the 10s need a 12.
In 2003 England without Mike Catt at 12 outside Wilko in their quarter versus Wales would have lost. At the same cup, Mauger calling for the missed pass didn't help Carlos escape the firing line in '03 either! Then in 2011 Nonu looked after Donald and was largely unheralded. -
@reddog said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
I beg to disagree. In finals footie, all the 10s need a 12.
what? no shit. They need a halfback and an openside and a fullback and like, other players too
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@KiwiMurph said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
Looking at MVPs for other countries
Aus - Kerevi
Eng - Farrell
Boks - Faf? Eben?Kerevi is Aus's best player, but they might be totally screwed without Quade given the other options at 10.
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@KiwiMurph Sexton for Ireland
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@MN5 said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
Hogg for Scotland.
Don’t know why I’m writing this, I’ll be flabbergasted if they make it out of the group stages to be honest.
I'd put Finn Russell ahead of Hogg these days on the importance to the team.
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@MajorRage said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@MN5 said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
Hogg for Scotland.
Don’t know why I’m writing this, I’ll be flabbergasted if they make it out of the group stages to be honest.
I'd put Finn Russell ahead of Hogg these days on the importance to the team.
Yeah but the coaches don’t.
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Ireland: J Sexton
France: Dupont
NZ: A Smith
SA: E Etzebeth
England: M Itoje
Australia: Q Cooper
Scotland: S Hogg
Argentina: J Montoya
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@Crucial said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@mariner4life said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
It is damning of "Super" rugby that the standard of play at 10 in both NZ and Australia has fallen off a cliff.
It starts way before Super Rugby. College Rugby and the effect of TV showings blowing smoke up young fellas is a big part. You can add to that the loss of any sort of apprenticeship for 10s and the desire of coaches at school/club levels to put big munters at 12 to get go forward and ask the 10 to just be a shoveller.
Agree with your post but just wondering where those big munters are at Super Rugby level? Must stop growing.
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@mariner4life said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
If Aaron Smith gets injured in August we may as well stay home
Or go and play and allow Fozzie to break another record by not getting out of the pool stage
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Wales - Faletau
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@Mackerzzzz said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
France: Dupont
SA: E Etzebeth
England: M ItojeFrance - I think DuPont’s backup will do a good job, but I reckon if one of the French midfield go down they are in a massive hole given so much of their play on both sides of the ball centre on them playing well.
SA - agree from a leadership perspective. He seems to get the other guys fired up (for better or worse)
England - the gap between Itoje’s level of play and the next cab off the rank is massive. But whilst this might not be a popular choice, Farrell is probably more important to England’s chances.
