NZ v Pakistan 2022/23
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@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
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@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
Henry is bowling really well hitting a great length, he looks likely at good pace.
9 overs 1/24 pretty good on this deck.He's looking likely. Nice that we have stalled their run rate big time. Wow what a bouncer. Shakeel walked down the pitch as Henry ran up and almost got decapitated
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun. -
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@canefan said in NZ v Pakistan:
What did Ravindra do wrong to get sent into the wilderness?
Not much - and you can read that a couple of ways.
He did save a test in India. Was less effective in a home series IIRC.
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@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun.Yeah - I know.
But, there's not much in Philips' bowling record to recommend him either.
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun.Yeah - I know.
But, there's not much in Philips' bowling record to recommend him either.
I can’t disagree but what I was saying for what they had in their squad over there, I would have given Phillips a run you will not lose much in the bowling but pick up a lot in the field and with the bat.
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Nor me.
They are what they are.
Our whole bowling attack is pretty vanilla on this tour.
If we'd taken this team to Oz we'd get massacred with this bowling.
Yep I see heaps of better spinners I coach in the QLd underage rep system and see them at nationals from other states than our test spinners
And quicks everywhere the talent pool is miles and miles apart. -
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@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crucial said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Crucial said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
Good score in the end, but not a match defining one.
Be interesting to see how our quicks go.
It is match defining as in we are set up for a win or draw. The loss option is currently off the table.
It could come back but odds are in our favour.It doesn't take a loss out at all.
What if Pakistan score say 625 and end up 175 runs ahead? From that position we would need to bat well in the third innings to hold on.
A match defining innings is 550+ I reckon. Very hard to lose if you score 550.
As I said “currently off the table “. If it takes a huge rare score to come back into calculations then odds are we are safe.
From a quick look a team getting 449 plus in first innings has only been beaten 15 times in test history.Sure. But rare is relative.
My scenario is virtually exactly what happened in the last test between the same countries on the same ground less than a week earlier.
I guess you are right, but another 75-100 would make me feel a bit more confident in rubbing out a loss.
Sheesh bro, you don’t ask for much…
I think it was a very good score under the circumstances. Did you not see how Tommy went out? That ball hardly went above ankle height. There was variable bounce and we still got to 449, so 4-140+ in a session and a bit was good to see.
I’m hopeful but not confident with our bowlers though.
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@Dan54 said in NZ v Pakistan:
Geez isn't test cricket so bloody good? Man gets out of bed reaching for PC to check how it ended last night.
Big ups to Hanry and Patel, there's something to behold when the tip of the tail wags like that!It was terrific to watch ( on the match tracker )
Still some way off the record for the last wicket though !
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@MN5 Pleasing to be reminded that the stereotypical old style number 11 bunny Danny Morrison is there with an unbeaten 106 run partnership with Nathan Astle. He was not in the queue when batting talent was handed out but by god did he value his wicket dearly. Also interesting to note another tenth wicket partnership (118 runs) involving Nathan Astle once again and Chris Cairns. Presumably one of them must have been carrying an injury and reverted to being last drop?
