NZ v Pakistan 2022/23
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@MN5 We've yet to assess his bowling.
He needs five runs to exceed his batting vs SA!
Henry with his Action is more likely to get any reverse swing,where Wags was average last test he looks a bit under cooked.
Worth a punt it has already paid off with the bat.Yeah - I think that as well.
Wags had an anonymous test and Matt has a bit more pace and might get some reverse swing.
I thought that was the most likely change given my suspicion that Bracewell is a slightly more effective spinner than Phillips and that's what they're picking on.
Is Bracewell more effective I don’t think he is.
He does nothing in tests too short or full and can not settle on a length.
Phillios actually gives the ball a real rip he just doesn’t get the overs he should,
Bracewell is just not a test quality off spinner he has no real variation just the offie.
No carrom ball ,no top spinner and no Doosra -
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@MN5 We've yet to assess his bowling.
He needs five runs to exceed his batting vs SA!
Henry with his Action is more likely to get any reverse swing,where Wags was average last test he looks a bit under cooked.
Worth a punt it has already paid off with the bat.Yeah - I think that as well.
Wags had an anonymous test and Matt has a bit more pace and might get some reverse swing.
I thought that was the most likely change given my suspicion that Bracewell is a slightly more effective spinner than Phillips and that's what they're picking on.
Is Bracewell more effective I don’t think he is.
He does nothing in tests too short or full and can not settle on a length.
Phillios actually gives the ball a real rip he just doesn’t get the overs he should,
Bracewell is just not a test quality off spinner he has no real variation just the offie.
No carrom ball ,no top spinner and no DooseraJust a nothing player in his tests so far
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@canefan said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@MN5 We've yet to assess his bowling.
He needs five runs to exceed his batting vs SA!
Henry with his Action is more likely to get any reverse swing,where Wags was average last test he looks a bit under cooked.
Worth a punt it has already paid off with the bat.Yeah - I think that as well.
Wags had an anonymous test and Matt has a bit more pace and might get some reverse swing.
I thought that was the most likely change given my suspicion that Bracewell is a slightly more effective spinner than Phillips and that's what they're picking on.
Is Bracewell more effective I don’t think he is.
He does nothing in tests too short or full and can not settle on a length.
Phillios actually gives the ball a real rip he just doesn’t get the overs he should,
Bracewell is just not a test quality off spinner he has no real variation just the offie.
No carrom ball ,no top spinner and no DooseraJust a nothing player in his tests so far
Yep waste of a position.
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@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
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@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
Henry is bowling really well hitting a great length, he looks likely at good pace.
9 overs 1/24 pretty good on this deck.He's looking likely. Nice that we have stalled their run rate big time. Wow what a bouncer. Shakeel walked down the pitch as Henry ran up and almost got decapitated
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun. -
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@canefan said in NZ v Pakistan:
What did Ravindra do wrong to get sent into the wilderness?
Not much - and you can read that a couple of ways.
He did save a test in India. Was less effective in a home series IIRC.
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@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun.Yeah - I know.
But, there's not much in Philips' bowling record to recommend him either.
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Not going to argue too strongly - because neither has much of a bowling record across the various formats.
But, Bracewell has had some success for Stead in T20s and ODIs so I'm not particularly surprised he's getting first go here.
If they were picking primarily on batting I think they'd pick Phillips.
Different way you bowl in tests compared to the short form, fields are different and of course it’s a white ball.
IMO you do not pick a test spinner out of short form cricket a good example Zampa doesn’t play test cricket even though he is a Short form gun.Yeah - I know.
But, there's not much in Philips' bowling record to recommend him either.
I can’t disagree but what I was saying for what they had in their squad over there, I would have given Phillips a run you will not lose much in the bowling but pick up a lot in the field and with the bat.
As a long term option spinner probably not . -
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@Chris-B said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Chris Nor me.
They are what they are.
Our whole bowling attack is pretty vanilla on this tour.
If we'd taken this team to Oz we'd get massacred with this bowling.
Yep I see heaps of better spinners I coach in the QLd underage rep system and see them at nationals from other states than our test spinners
And quicks everywhere the talent pool is miles and miles apart. -
