FIFA World Cup 2022
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@dogmeat said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@Mackerzzzz said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Messi has finished the GOAT argument once and for all
Of the modern generation without a doubt but of all time. Yaeh, nah.
Ignoring all the well documented host issues, a great tournament, despite, (because of?), the absence of a single great team.
That could fill up the time until Christmas arguing about the football GOAT. Maradona at his peak was greater than Messi but his peak was relatively short compared to Messi. Pele is in the conversation as well - who else would you put forward?
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Positive things about this World Cup.
Great support for certain non-European teams.
Generally very entertaining football and lots of drama.
Enough upsets to be fun but 2 good teams in the final.
Absence of crowd trouble (linked to absence of Europeans and alcohol).Negative things from watching it on TV in NZ.
BeiN coverage. Keys/Gray and their mates are awful. Peter Drury.
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@KiwiPie I agree with @broughie - impossible to compare across eras. Some of the goals scored in this era would never have been scored even 20 years ago because the attacking player would have been hacked down.
On the other hand modern players are fitter and faster and teams generally have more sophisticated tactics. 2-3-5 anyone?
Messi has the record for this era, but Pele and Maradona have to be in the same pantheon. Cruyff maybe Si stefano?
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Superb tournament in the end.
They aren’t without issue but they way Qatar completely ignored all the virtue signaling bullshit and dealt harshly with the actual activists is a lesson to us all.
Alcohol free around the stadiums is the benchmark. Brilliant fans, atmosphere without trouble.
And the final so much better than any scripted drama. Phenomenal.
Messi’s tournament.
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What an epic final to finish the tournament, well done Argentina and Messi! Some classic goals scored as well...
Messi and Pele probably can have their own debates, while Ronaldo probably throwing toys out of the cot right now lol..
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@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Superb tournament in the end.
They aren’t without issue but they way Qatar completely ignored all the virtue signaling bullshit and dealt harshly with the actual activists is a lesson to us all.
Are you serious? Not without issue? The human rights issues in Qatar are extremely serious and calling them out on that is absolutely not virtue signaling. Absolutely insane they placed a WC there.
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@No-Quarter said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Superb tournament in the end.
They aren’t without issue but they way Qatar completely ignored all the virtue signaling bullshit and dealt harshly with the actual activists is a lesson to us all.
Are you serious? Not without issue? The human rights issues in Qatar are extremely serious and calling them out on that is absolutely not virtue signaling. Absolutely insane they placed a WC there.
Read it again and this time have a think without flying off the handle.
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@Mackerzzzz said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Well deserved win for Argentina. France looked off all game.
They deserved to win because they got more penalties in the shoot out. What happened in the previous 120 minutes didn’t really matter because it was a 3-3 at the end of it.
It’s not like you take momentum into a penalty shoot out. It’s a whole new ball game.
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@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@No-Quarter said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Superb tournament in the end.
They aren’t without issue but they way Qatar completely ignored all the virtue signaling bullshit and dealt harshly with the actual activists is a lesson to us all.
Are you serious? Not without issue? The human rights issues in Qatar are extremely serious and calling them out on that is absolutely not virtue signaling. Absolutely insane they placed a WC there.
Read it again and this time have a think without flying off the handle.
The "without issue" part felt like you were playing down their atrocious human rights abuses a bit. I'll admit I don't have the context of your comment about shutting down the virtue signalers though, as I really haven't followed this WC at all. I think holding the tournament there summed up everything that is wrong with the world today. To hell with human rights if there's money involved - that applies to western countries too.
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@No-Quarter said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@No-Quarter said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Superb tournament in the end.
They aren’t without issue but they way Qatar completely ignored all the virtue signaling bullshit and dealt harshly with the actual activists is a lesson to us all.
Are you serious? Not without issue? The human rights issues in Qatar are extremely serious and calling them out on that is absolutely not virtue signaling. Absolutely insane they placed a WC there.
Read it again and this time have a think without flying off the handle.
The "without issue" part felt like you were playing down their atrocious human rights abuses a bit. I'll admit I don't have the context of your comment about shutting down the virtue signalers though, as I really haven't followed this WC at all. I think holding the tournament there summed up everything that is wrong with the world today. To hell with human rights if there's money involved - that applies to western countries too.
They were banking on the fact that once the games started, people would forget the surrounding context.
Seems to have worked right now (that’s not a comment on MR’s post, but what I’m seeing in the media).
The Messi championship might push back the horrible parts for a while too.
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@broughie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Hate penalty shootouts. Should play the game like hockey. Play until there is a winner.
ice hockey? that goes to a shootout after OT
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@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@No-Quarter said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Superb tournament in the end.
They aren’t without issue but they way Qatar completely ignored all the virtue signaling bullshit and dealt harshly with the actual activists is a lesson to us all.
Are you serious? Not without issue? The human rights issues in Qatar are extremely serious and calling them out on that is absolutely not virtue signaling. Absolutely insane they placed a WC there.
Read it again and this time have a think without flying off the handle.
To be fair that’s not really the fern way.
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@Kiwiwomble said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@broughie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Hate penalty shootouts. Should play the game like hockey. Play until there is a winner.
ice hockey? that goes to a shootout after OT
Not in the playoffs. They keep playing until a goal is scored. Regular season 5 minute 3 v3 then shoot out if no goal.
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@Kiwiwomble FYI The most recent extended playoff OT was 5 in 2020, Tampa Bay vs Columbus, which is 160 minutes of Hockey.
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Football used to have golden goal, but that wasn't popular, and still went to pens if neither team scored.
Some playoff games could potentially go on forever if there weren't pens (although I guess not knowing that pens are coming changes the dynamic).
Penalty shootouts seem to be in that category of ideas every agrees is terrible but no one can come up with anything better.
What about if after ET the side that had the most
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@No-Quarter said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@No-Quarter said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@MajorRage said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Superb tournament in the end.
They aren’t without issue but they way Qatar completely ignored all the virtue signaling bullshit and dealt harshly with the actual activists is a lesson to us all.
Are you serious? Not without issue? The human rights issues in Qatar are extremely serious and calling them out on that is absolutely not virtue signaling. Absolutely insane they placed a WC there.
Read it again and this time have a think without flying off the handle.
The "without issue" part felt like you were playing down their atrocious human rights abuses a bit. I'll admit I don't have the context of your comment about shutting down the virtue signalers though, as I really haven't followed this WC at all. I think holding the tournament there summed up everything that is wrong with the world today. To hell with human rights if there's money involved - that applies to western countries too.
To be honest, I originally wrote that without the first 5 words but then changed it as I didn't want to make trivial of the actual issues there are. That wasn't the point of the post.
The point was the way they dealt with them which I thought was spot on. It seems the opposite is applied to activists these days and it drives me nuts. I generally believe in most activists, but I don't believe they should be exempt from the rule of law.
I'm a bit different to most on my views with Qatar. They have their ways of running it based on their own thoughts and I respect that. And is it "The Wests" right to say their way is wrong? Not sure. Reality is though, that if we, or activists believe that to be the case, then the issue should be with FIFA, not so much Qatar. Which means we aren't far off aligned on our view here.
