FIFA World Cup 2022
-
@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Eurosport Team of the Tournament - posted to spark debate. Alternative names are those found in the Sports Illustrated and Sky Sports UK XIs so Gvardiol, Amrabat, Mbappe & Messi are in all 4 XIs.
Martinez (Arg) - Livakovic (Arg)
Hakimi (Mor) - Juranovic (Cro)
Romero (Arg) - Saiss (Mor) - Maguire (Eng)
Gvardiol (Cro)
Shaw (Eng) - Mazraoui (Mor) - Acuna (Arg)Modric (Cro) - Casemiro (Bra) - Ounahi (Mor)
Amrabat (Mor)
Griezmann (Fra) - Enzo Fernandez (Arg)Saka (Eng) - Alvarez (Arg) - Giroud (Fra)
Mbappe (Fra)
Messi (Arg)My team of the tournament.
Martinez (Arg),
Hakimi (Mor), Romero (Arg), Gvardiol (Cro), Theo Hernandez (Fr)
Mordric (Cro), Griezmann (Fr), Enzo Fernandez (Arg)
Messi (Arg) Gakpo ( Neth), Mbappe (Fr) -
@dogmeat said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@booboo Don't remeber that game at all even though I would have watched it. I do recall it gave the German manager, Franz Beckenbauer, the record of having lost a Final as a player and a coach. When, four years later in Rome, he managed Germany to a win against Argentina again, it meant he had also won as both player and coach.
Surely he's still the only guy to have this record?
Abiding memory was Maradonna had been brilliant in the knock outs dribbling the ball everywhere and scoring some magnificent goals (second against Poms being most famous, but one in the next round against someone I can't remeber was better), but he parked that in the final and just made brilliant one touch passes putting his guys into space.
IIRC Argies were easily better and went ahead 3 times but the Krauts came back twice. Am not sure, but think it may have gone to ET.
I'm not a big soccer fan and have virtually zero memory of other finals but for some reason I have a memory of this one. Not sure how accurate though
. -
@dogmeat said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@booboo Don't remeber that game at all even though I would have watched it. I do recall it gave the German manager, Franz Beckenbauer, the record of having lost a Final as a player and a coach. When, four years later in Rome, he managed Germany to a win against Argentina again, it meant he had also won as both player and coach.
Surely he's still the only guy to have this record?
Deschamps achieved it in 2018.
I can't remember how good the 86 final was - but Argentina went 2-0 up and cruising, Germans struck back to make it 2-2 and Burruchaga was put through by Maradona for the winner (quite soon after it became 2-2).
-
@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@dogmeat said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@booboo Don't remeber that game at all even though I would have watched it. I do recall it gave the German manager, Franz Beckenbauer, the record of having lost a Final as a player and a coach. When, four years later in Rome, he managed Germany to a win against Argentina again, it meant he had also won as both player and coach.
Surely he's still the only guy to have this record?
Deschamps achieved it in 2018.
I think he has only done 3/4 of it.
Didn't lose a WC final as a player.
-
@Rapido said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@dogmeat said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@booboo Don't remeber that game at all even though I would have watched it. I do recall it gave the German manager, Franz Beckenbauer, the record of having lost a Final as a player and a coach. When, four years later in Rome, he managed Germany to a win against Argentina again, it meant he had also won as both player and coach.
Surely he's still the only guy to have this record?
Deschamps achieved it in 2018.
I think he has only done 3/4 of it.
Didn't lose a WC final as a player.
Ah sorry I misunderstood. People who could get the 4/4 in the future - Messi has to be in with the best chance - for France maybe Varane, Griezmann, Giroud or even Mbappe.
-
@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@Rapido said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@dogmeat said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@booboo Don't remeber that game at all even though I would have watched it. I do recall it gave the German manager, Franz Beckenbauer, the record of having lost a Final as a player and a coach. When, four years later in Rome, he managed Germany to a win against Argentina again, it meant he had also won as both player and coach.
Surely he's still the only guy to have this record?
Deschamps achieved it in 2018.
I think he has only done 3/4 of it.
Didn't lose a WC final as a player.
Ah sorry I misunderstood. People who could get the 4/4 in the future - Messi has to be in with the best chance - for France maybe Varane, Griezmann, Giroud or even Mbappe.
Zidane, has achieved the first half. And is actually a high profile coach. So, I'd say he'd be the best current chance. Vieira also, but a less high profile coach currently.
But, it's the sort of 'record' that could last a hundred years before being broken.
-
@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@dogmeat said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@booboo Don't remeber that game at all even though I would have watched it. I do recall it gave the German manager, Franz Beckenbauer, the record of having lost a Final as a player and a coach. When, four years later in Rome, he managed Germany to a win against Argentina again, it meant he had also won as both player and coach.
Surely he's still the only guy to have this record?
Deschamps achieved it in 2018.
I can't remember how good the 86 final was - but Argentina went 2-0 up and cruising, Germans struck back to make it 2-2 and Burruchaga was put through by Maradona for the winner (quite soon after it became 2-2).
Said my memory was sketchy.
-
@sparky said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
@KiwiPie said in FIFA World Cup 2022:
Eurosport Team of the Tournament - posted to spark debate. Alternative names are those found in the Sports Illustrated and Sky Sports UK XIs so Gvardiol, Amrabat, Mbappe & Messi are in all 4 XIs.
Martinez (Arg) - Livakovic (Arg)
Hakimi (Mor) - Juranovic (Cro)
Romero (Arg) - Saiss (Mor) - Maguire (Eng)
Gvardiol (Cro)
Shaw (Eng) - Mazraoui (Mor) - Acuna (Arg)Modric (Cro) - Casemiro (Bra) - Ounahi (Mor)
Amrabat (Mor)
Griezmann (Fra) - Enzo Fernandez (Arg)Saka (Eng) - Alvarez (Arg) - Giroud (Fra)
Mbappe (Fra)
Messi (Arg)My team of the tournament.
Martinez (Arg),
Hakimi (Mor), Romero (Arg), Gvardiol (Cro), Theo Hernandez (Fr), Enzo Fernandez (Arg)
Messi (Arg) Gakpo ( Neth), Mbappe (Fr)Imo:
Martinez (Arg),
Hakimi (Mor), Saiss (Mor), Gvardiol (Cro), Acuna (Arg)
Modric (Cro), Griezman (Fra), Enzo Fernandez (Arg)
Messi (Arg), Alvarez (Arg), Mbappe (Fr)
