2022 NH tour, not ABs
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@Stargazer said in 2022 NH tour, not ABs:
Romania 16 - 21 Uruguay
The in-and-away by the Uruguayan right wing for his 1st try was a thing of beauty.
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Judicial decisions:
- Duncan Paia'aua (Samoa): 4 weeks suspension for a dangerous tackle (no full deduction because of recent red card for a similar offence).
He will miss:
19 November, 2022 – Romania v Samoa
26 November, 2022 – Toulon v Stade Français
4 December, 2022 – Toulon v Racing 92
10 December, 2022 – Toulon v Zebre
- Wian Conradie (Namibia):
The Committee considered the fact that one yellow card was awarded for a technical offence (collapsing a maul) following a team warning, and one was for foul play (lifting tackle) and decided that the ordering off was sufficient and that no further sanction was necessary
- Brian Juma (Kenya)
The Committee considered the fact that one yellow card was awarded for a technical offence (not back 10 metres), and one was for foul play (dangerous tackle) and decided that the ordering off was sufficient and that no further sanction was necessary.
While the above three decisions have been published on World Rugby's website, strangely enough the decisions in the cases of Albert Tuisue, Antoine Du Pont and Pieter-Steph du Toit don't appear on the organisation's website. In the "Independent disciplinary update: 12 November, 2022" article they aren't mentioned either. Anyway, there must have been a media release, because the media have picked it up. The South African RU also published a media release.
- Albert Tuisue (Fiji): 4 weeks suspension for foul play contrary to Law 9.13.
“The player denied that he had committed an act of foul play worthy of a red card, but admitted that the act was worthy of at most a yellow card. Having reviewed all the evidence, the committee noted that the player had under the applicable regulation the burden of proving that a red card was not warranted.
“On the basis of the available evidence, notably the footage of the incident, the disciplinary committee was not satisfied that the player met his burden of proof in this respect and notably considered that there was some degree of danger under the head contact process arising out of the contact with the head of the victim player.
“The committee also considered that the player had not met his burden of proof in applying mitigating factors to the incident. On that basis, the committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point for foul play resulting in contact with the head. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week suspension.
“Having acknowledged mitigating factors, including the player’s conduct during the hearing and taking into account his disciplinary record, the committee reduced the six-week entry point by two weeks, resulting in a sanction of four weeks (to be served as follows given the player’s upcoming schedule):
French Barbarians vs Fiji, November 20, Stade Pierre Mauroy;
Three remaining matches to be confirmed.
“The player may apply to take part in the coaching intervention programme to substitute the final match of his sanction for a coaching intervention aimed at modifying specific techniques and technical issues that contributed to the foul play.”
- Peter-Steph du Toit (South Africa): 3 weeks suspension for a dangerous ruck cleanout on Jonathan Danty (Law 9.11 (players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others including leading with the elbow or forearm).
The judicial committee considered and accepted submissions from Du Toit’s representative that the charge be amended to Law 9.11 (players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others including leading with the elbow or forearm).
Du Toit denied that he had committed an act of foul play worthy of a red card. However, having reviewed all available evidence and the submissions made by the player and his representative prior to and during the hearing, the judicial committee determined that the player had committed an act of foul play worthy of a red card, having regard to the process set out within World Rugby's Head Contact Process.
The Disciplinary Committee found the player's offending to be "reckless" (and not intentional or deliberate), and although there were some external factors identified with respect to the incident, they were not, on the evidence before the judicial committee, of a sufficient degree to justify a reclassification of the offending to below red card.
Given Du Toit's offending involved head contact with an opposition player, the judicial committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point for foul play in breach of Law 9.11 resulting in contact with the head. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week/match suspension.
Having acknowledged mitigating factors including Du Toit's evidence of remorse, contrition, exemplary prior disciplinary record and conduct during the hearing, the judicial committee reduced the six-week/match entry point by three weeks/matches, resulting in a sanction of three weeks/matches (to be served as the following given the player’s upcoming playing schedule):
19 November 2022: SA v Italy
26 October 2022: SA v England
Third match TBC
Du Toit was granted permission to apply to take part in the Coaching Intervention Programme to (if completed) substitute the final match of his sanction for a coaching intervention aimed at modifying specific techniques and technical issues that contributed to the foul play.So both Du Toit and Tuisue both denied having committed a red card offence, but Du Toit still gets 50% deduction (3 weeks) and Tuisue does not (only 2 weeks deduction). That's inconsistent. Usually, you only get the 50% deduction if you've admitted your wrong-doing and all the other factors mentioned. That's dodgy.
- Antoine Dupont (France): 4 weeks suspension for after taking out Cheslin Kolbe in the air (Law 9.17).
“The player admitted that he had committed an act of foul play worthy of a red card,” said the disciplinary statement.
“Having reviewed all available evidence and considering the submissions made by the player and his representative, the Disciplinary Committee deemed that the player’s act was ‘reckless’ [and not intentional or deliberate].
“Given the player’s offending involved head contact with an opposition player, the Disciplinary Committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point for foul play in breach of Law 9.17 resulting in contact with the head. This resulted in a starting point of an eight-week/match suspension for a breach of Law 9.17.
“Having acknowledged mitigating factors including the player’s evidence of remorse, contrition, exemplary prior disciplinary record and conduct during the hearing, the Disciplinary Committee reduced the eight-week/match entry point by four weeks/matches, resulting in a sanction of four weeks/matches.
Dupont will miss the following matches:
November Series
France vs Japan – November 20
Top 14 (LNR)
Lyon vs Toulouse – November 27
Toulouse vs Perpignan – December 3
Champions Cup (EPCR)
Munster vs Toulouse – December 11h - Duncan Paia'aua (Samoa): 4 weeks suspension for a dangerous tackle (no full deduction because of recent red card for a similar offence).
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Watch guide for this weekend (19-21 November 2022) (NZ only)
SS1 = Sky Sport 1 etc
SSSel - Sky Sport Select
WR = World Rugby website (click on link)
Rugby TV or Rugby Romania YouTube
Date/time Match Where Live Replay 1 Replay 2 Replay 3 Sat 19/11 2.00am Hong Kong v Kenya Dubai WR 4.30am USA v Portugal Dubai WR 11.45pm Tonga v Uruguay Bucharest RugbyTV? Sun 20/11 2.00am Wales v Georgia Cardiff SS2 6.30am SSSel Mon 4.00am SS1 2.00am Italy v Sth Africa Genoa SS1 12.00pm SSSel Mon 2.00pm SS1 2.30am Canada v Namibia Amsterdam livestream 3.00am Fr Barbarians v Fiji Lille stream 1 / 2 3.45am Romania v Samoa Bucharest RugbyTV? 4.15am Scotland v Argentina Edinburgh SS2 8.30am SSSel 9.00pm SS1 Mon 4.30pm SS1 6.30am England v All Blacks London SS1 11.00am SS1 5.30pm SS1 Mon 9.30pm SS1 9.00am Ireland v Australia Dublin SS1 2.00pm SSSel 4.00pm SS2 Mon 12.00pm SS1 Mon 21/11 2.00am France v Japan Toulouse SS1 7.00am SS1 10.00am SS2 6.30pm SS1 -
Judicial decision
Another one that wasn't on the WR website, but published by Scottish Rugby:
- Richie Gray (Scotland): 3 weeks suspension for an act of foul play contrary to Law No 9.20(a) (Dangerous play in a ruck or maul. A player must not charge into a ruck or maul)
Scotland lock, Richie Gray appeared before an independent judicial Committee via video link today having been cited for an act of foul play contrary to Law No 9.20(a) (Dangerous play in a ruck or maul. A player must not charge into a ruck or maul) in Scotland’s international match against New Zealand on 16 November 2022.
The player denied that he had committed an act of foul play worthy of a red card. Having reviewed all the evidence, the Committee deemed that on the balance of probabilities, there was foul play in that the Player had led with his elbow into the tackle area which was dangerous to others. Applying World Rugby’s Head Contact Process, the Committee determined that
- there was contact with the head
- the Player had acted recklessly
- there was a high degree of danger
- there was no mitigation
On that basis, the Committee applied World Rugby’s mandatory minimum mid-range entry point for foul play resulting in contact with the head. This resulted in a starting point of a six-week suspension.
Having acknowledged mitigating factors including the Player’s excellent disciplinary record, the Committee reduced the six-week entry point by three weeks, resulting in a sanction of three weeks (to be served as the following given the player’s upcoming schedule):
19 November – Scotland v Argentina, ANS
26 November – Glasgow Warriors v Leinster, URC
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@pakman said in 2022 NH tour, not ABs:
BaaBaas Harlequins:
Nice kicking from DMac. But his yellow card might have added some puff to the Baa Baas.
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International rugby is crazy close at the moment. I think every top 8 team can beat any other on their day (maybe not Scotland over NZ).
Good for the game, not so good for an AB fan (I prefer when we could beat everyone and everyone else could beat each other except us).
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@Nepia said in 2022 NH tour, not ABs:
International rugby is crazy close at the moment. I think every top 8 team can beat any other on their day (maybe not Scotland over NZ).
Good for the game, not so good for an AB fan (I prefer when we could beat everyone and everyone else could beat each other except us).
Teams can beat each other, but I also think there is a clear hierarchy. I think you would struggle to argue that the top 5 teams are:
- France
- Ireland
- New Zealand
- South Africa
- England
I think New Zealand and South Africa is the only reasonable debate there. Then it should be:
- Australia
- Argentina
- Scotland
- Wales
- Japan
I think there is more debate where you put those 5, but most would only have them one spot higher or lower.
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I just wondering with results etc over last few weeks ( which I see as being good for rugby) ,I wonder how many supporters are happy with their teams and coaches etc.
Seems a lot of Auusies are wanting Rennie gone , Welsh would be pissed with Pivac after today, lot of Bok supporters want shot of Niembar, Poms with Eddie Jones etc etc. French and Irish would be happy , and Scots, Italy and Georgia maybe smiling. I personally think many have to get used to a different order in world and maybe see that we don't see guaranteed results anymore. -
