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@Rapido said in NZ Cricket:
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@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
Doull and Nash were both very good players.
A shame between them and Cairns they were injured all the fucken time. That would have been quite the trio had they played together more often.
Nash dragged us over the line at Lords to win a series v England I think - arguably one of his finest moments
He got a 10-fer at Lords in 1994. But NZ didn't win. Rain on the final day ruined a likely win, by what was a very poor team.
In 1999 he had a good series, and a good test at Lords where NZ did win. But not a drag us over the line performance. Probably conflating the 2.
Jesus that 1994 team 😂 Gavin Larsen (test version) and Heath Davis part of your seam attack 😂
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I see youngster Rhys Mariu made 240 opening for Canterbury. That pushes his average in the 60s in his 9th match with 3 centuries (including this one) and 4 50s. Pretty handy start - haven't heard anything about him before but see he's been in the youth setup. Anyone else know much about him?
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@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
I see youngster Rhys Mariu made 240 opening for Canterbury. That pushes his average in the 60s in his 9th match with 3 centuries (including this one) and 4 50s. Pretty handy start - haven't heard anything about him before but see he's been in the youth setup. Anyone else know much about him?
I'm not sure the Plunket Shield is always a great barometer... I suppose Toole, Tickner and Patel is a better attack then some teams have, but it is quite a step down from anything you'll ever face at the international conditions (particularly in these conditions.
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@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
I see youngster Rhys Mariu made 240 opening for Canterbury. That pushes his average in the 60s in his 9th match with 3 centuries (including this one) and 4 50s. Pretty handy start - haven't heard anything about him before but see he's been in the youth setup. Anyone else know much about him?
a bit about Rhys below talented bat with a good defence he has succeeded at most levels he has debuted at.
Rhys Mariu is an exciting young batting talent from Christchurch, NZ. A part-time, Right-arm Leg Spinner, Rhys’ dominant talent is his Right-handed Top Order Batting. Currently contracted to Canterbury in the New Zealand Domestic system, Rhys was a regular for the New Zealand U19 side, representing them at the 2020 ICC U19 World Cup in South Africa.
School at St Andrews College, Christchurch, Rhys was a star for the school and a regular selection in the Canterbury age groups, starring for their U17/U19 sides. His performances saw him selected for the New Zealand U19 squad in 2019 as a 17-year-old and he represented New Zealand in bilateral series against Australia and Bangladesh before leading the NZ run scoring tally at the 2020 World Cup in South Africa with 206 runs @ 41.20 as one of the youngest batsmen, having turned 18 just a month beforehand.
He continued playing age group and club cricket post-COVID and cracked the Canterbury A side throughout 2021 & 2022 before making his professional debut in early 2023, scoring 68 & 78* against Northern Districts, with his 2nd innings knock seeing the Kings home in a tense chase, showing maturity and level head beyond his 21 years as he carried his bat to seal the win. Rhys got his first hundred in just his fourth first class game, a first innings 122 to set up a big win over Wellington.
Seeking to head to the UK for the first time 2024, Rhys joined Flitwick CC in the Hertfordshire Championship, helping the club to break their promotion hoodoo, scoring 1249 runs @ 54.30 to go with 47 wickets @ 9.49 across all formats. His best knock came in August to seal the league title, with 147* (115) to set up a huge win and lockdown top spot.
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@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
I see youngster Rhys Mariu made 240 opening for Canterbury. That pushes his average in the 60s in his 9th match with 3 centuries (including this one) and 4 50s. Pretty handy start - haven't heard anything about him before but see he's been in the youth setup. Anyone else know much about him?
I'm not sure the Plunket Shield is always a great barometer... I suppose Toole, Tickner and Patel is a better attack then some teams have, but it is quite a step down from anything you'll ever face at the international conditions (particularly in these conditions.
What barometer do you wish to use to identify NZ talent it is the domestic comp.
Rhys has succeeded at every level he has tried at.
Was the leading NZ bat in the under u/19 World Cup in SA still only 18 then
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@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
I see youngster Rhys Mariu made 240 opening for Canterbury. That pushes his average in the 60s in his 9th match with 3 centuries (including this one) and 4 50s. Pretty handy start - haven't heard anything about him before but see he's been in the youth setup. Anyone else know much about him?
I'm not sure the Plunket Shield is always a great barometer... I suppose Toole, Tickner and Patel is a better attack then some teams have, but it is quite a step down from anything you'll ever face at the international conditions (particularly in these conditions.
What barometer do you wish to use to identify NZ talent it is the domestic comp.
Rhys has succeeded at every level he has tried at.
Was the leading NZ bat in the under u/19 World Cup in SA still only 18 then
9 First class matches for Canterbury 3 100'sand 4 50's a good strike rate.Wasn’t meant as a slight on Mariu, more of a general statement. The two best batters in the Plunket Shield in the last 10 or so years statistically are probably Munro, Hay and Bruce, all of whom never played test cricket.
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@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
I see youngster Rhys Mariu made 240 opening for Canterbury. That pushes his average in the 60s in his 9th match with 3 centuries (including this one) and 4 50s. Pretty handy start - haven't heard anything about him before but see he's been in the youth setup. Anyone else know much about him?
I'm not sure the Plunket Shield is always a great barometer... I suppose Toole, Tickner and Patel is a better attack then some teams have, but it is quite a step down from anything you'll ever face at the international conditions (particularly in these conditions.
What barometer do you wish to use to identify NZ talent it is the domestic comp.
Rhys has succeeded at every level he has tried at.
Was the leading NZ bat in the under u/19 World Cup in SA still only 18 then
9 First class matches for Canterbury 3 100'sand 4 50's a good strike rate.Wasn’t meant as a slight on Mariu, more of a general statement. The two best batters in the Plunket Shield in the last 10 or so years statistically are probably Munro, Hay and Bruce, all of whom never played test cricket.
Yeah Rhys is talented had a bit to do with him here in Brisbane he has come over and trained in the off season.
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@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
I see youngster Rhys Mariu made 240 opening for Canterbury. That pushes his average in the 60s in his 9th match with 3 centuries (including this one) and 4 50s. Pretty handy start - haven't heard anything about him before but see he's been in the youth setup. Anyone else know much about him?
I'm not sure the Plunket Shield is always a great barometer... I suppose Toole, Tickner and Patel is a better attack then some teams have, but it is quite a step down from anything you'll ever face at the international conditions (particularly in these conditions.
What barometer do you wish to use to identify NZ talent it is the domestic comp.
Rhys has succeeded at every level he has tried at.
Was the leading NZ bat in the under u/19 World Cup in SA still only 18 then
9 First class matches for Canterbury 3 100'sand 4 50's a good strike rate.Wasn’t meant as a slight on Mariu, more of a general statement. The two best batters in the Plunket Shield in the last 10 or so years statistically are probably Munro, Hay and Bruce, all of whom never played test cricket.
Probably due to the BC bats not getting much game time.
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@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
I see youngster Rhys Mariu made 240 opening for Canterbury. That pushes his average in the 60s in his 9th match with 3 centuries (including this one) and 4 50s. Pretty handy start - haven't heard anything about him before but see he's been in the youth setup. Anyone else know much about him?
I'm not sure the Plunket Shield is always a great barometer... I suppose Toole, Tickner and Patel is a better attack then some teams have, but it is quite a step down from anything you'll ever face at the international conditions (particularly in these conditions.
What barometer do you wish to use to identify NZ talent it is the domestic comp.
Rhys has succeeded at every level he has tried at.
Was the leading NZ bat in the under u/19 World Cup in SA still only 18 then
9 First class matches for Canterbury 3 100'sand 4 50's a good strike rate.Wasn’t meant as a slight on Mariu, more of a general statement. The two best batters in the Plunket Shield in the last 10 or so years statistically are probably Munro, Hay and Bruce, all of whom never played test cricket.
I reckon we actually have to go back quite a long time now find a failed Plunket Shield elevation to test cricket.
I'm not talking short term elevations. E.g. an experienced domestic like Broom or Redmond coming in for a single series because of an injury to a regular. I'm not even talking Will Young or Matt Henry who had sporadic injury replacement opportunities for the first 5 or so years and struggled in their opportunities.
I'm talking when they've picked someone they hope to be a test regular. And then given them a few series.
I think you'd have to go back 10 or 11 years. To the early 2010s and with the 'usual suspect' problem positions for NZ; openers and spinner.
To 2013/14 when Latham came in for the Rutherford/Fulton position. And the procession of spinners to replace Vettori; J Patel > B Martin > I Sodhi. Before they settled on Mark Craig again during the 2013/14 season.
Now it depends what you consider a 'successful elevation' of course.
I consider Mark Craig's short peak then quite rapid decline a 'qualified success' for our weakest position. I consider Santner's role with our 4 seamer's a 'qualified success'.
Not saying everything is constant. In those weaker positions we went:
- Guptill > Raval . Blundell > Conway in the second opener.
- Anderson > Neesham > de Grandhomme > Mitchell in the batting allrounder (and Santner and M Bracewell depneding on balance).
- Santner > Ajaz > Santner (again) > Astle > M Bracewell > Phillips / Santner (again) in the spinner role.
A few of the careers would end (or be interrupted) after a thumping in Australia (Craig, Neesham, Guptill, Raval, were ended and then Santner's was interrupted for about 2 years. Which is usually a very bad metric to judge/end careers on (an away series in Aus). But is fine if you have a good candidate to replace them with or give an opportunity to. Which in those cases we did.
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OF course. There's an element of causation and correlation.
There have been very stable selection policies since McCullum / Hesson, then Stead. Which correlates to when I propose PS has elevated solid players to test level.
Also. Performance in Plunket Shield gets you elevated to NZ'A" cricket if NZC can be arsed to organise some, Or the meaningless blackcaps white ball tours. So, 'other' cricket happens to do some filtering before anyone ever magically moves from Plunket Shield to test cricket of course.
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@Rapido said in NZ Cricket:
@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Cyclops said in NZ Cricket:
I see youngster Rhys Mariu made 240 opening for Canterbury. That pushes his average in the 60s in his 9th match with 3 centuries (including this one) and 4 50s. Pretty handy start - haven't heard anything about him before but see he's been in the youth setup. Anyone else know much about him?
I'm not sure the Plunket Shield is always a great barometer... I suppose Toole, Tickner and Patel is a better attack then some teams have, but it is quite a step down from anything you'll ever face at the international conditions (particularly in these conditions.
What barometer do you wish to use to identify NZ talent it is the domestic comp.
Rhys has succeeded at every level he has tried at.
Was the leading NZ bat in the under u/19 World Cup in SA still only 18 then
9 First class matches for Canterbury 3 100'sand 4 50's a good strike rate.Wasn’t meant as a slight on Mariu, more of a general statement. The two best batters in the Plunket Shield in the last 10 or so years statistically are probably Munro, Hay and Bruce, all of whom never played test cricket.
I reckon we actually have to go back quite a long time now find a failed Plunket Shield elevation to test cricket.
I'm not talking short term elevations. E.g. an experienced domestic like Broom or Redmond coming in for a single series because of an injury to a regular. I'm not even talking Will Young or Matt Henry who had sporadic injury replacement opportunities for the first 5 or so years and struggled in their opportunities.
I'm talking when they've picked someone they hope to be a test regular. And then given them a few series.
I think you'd have to go back 10 or 11 years. To the early 2010s and with the 'usual suspect' problem positions for NZ; openers and spinner.
To 2013/14 when Latham came in for the Rutherford/Fulton position. And the procession of spinners to replace Vettori; J Patel > B Martin > I Sodhi. Before they settled on Mark Craig again during the 2013/14 season.
Now it depends what you consider a 'successful elevation' of course.
I consider Mark Craig's short peak then quite rapid decline a 'qualified success' for our weakest position. I consider Santner's role with our 4 seamer's a 'qualified success'.
Not saying everything is constant. In those weaker positions we went:
- Guptill > Raval . Blundell > Conway in the second opener.
- Anderson > Neesham > de Grandhomme > Mitchell in the batting allrounder (and Santner and M Bracewell depneding on balance).
- Santner > Ajaz > Santner (again) > Astle > M Bracewell > Phillips / Santner (again) in the spinner role.
A few of the careers would end (or be interrupted) after a thumping in Australia (Craig, Neesham, Guptill, Raval, were ended and then Santner's was interrupted for about 2 years. Which is usually a very bad metric to judge/end careers on (an away series in Aus). But is fine if you have a good candidate to replace them with or give an opportunity to. Which in those cases we did.
I feel you are actually agreeing with me. The selectors have had the back of picking the right guys in recent times, some of which had good domestic numbers, but others who have been picked on instinct
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Batters having a bit of fun in Auckland at the moment:
Of note: 276 off 325 for Mark Chapman in a total of 567/9d. Canterbury 211/0 in response with yet another Rhys Mariu ton. 1000 FC runs now in 19 innings. From the scorecard they're playing on a road (says Eden Park outer oval, but maybe they're actually playing on Dominion Road), so tough to read too much into that score, but nice to see him cashing in.
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There is an analysis article about Kane Williamson today regarding joining the 9000 test runs club. Worth mentioning is that he was the 33rd fastest to 4000 runs, 31st fastest to 5000, 19th fastest to 6000, 13th fastest to 7000, 10th fastest to 8000 and now 8th fastest to 9000. Getting better in the second half of his career.
The summary from the article:
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Sangakkara and Kane stand out as two players whose average got better and better over time. Sangakkara notably after giving up the gloves, and Kane who was thrown into the NZ team very early on as we were desperate for anyone that could average above 35!
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Since 2017 hes been averaging 61 overall and 77 at home.
Before that, 2010 - 2017 he averaged 49 overall and 'only' 54 at home
Where Smith and Kohli are struggling and their averages going down the last few years. Kanes is going up.
