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@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
@reprobate said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 Surely the skills you need to be a good cricketer are in fuck-all ways related to the skills to be a good commentator.
Not for me to say but when they’d doing analysis I’ll always listen to the guy who has been there and done that over the guy who hasn’t. Maybe it’s just me.
Schmidt, Hansen Henry? All superb coaches and analysts - but not top players. If they turned their mind to it could all be interesting commentators. The analysis would be top tier anyway!
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@dogmeat said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
In saying that ex players are ALWAYS better commentators than people who haven’t played in my opinion.
The names will probably mean nothing to you kids
Brian Johnston, John Arlott, Henry Blofeld.
One season of varsity cricket between them.
I’ll give that to you, fair call. He was outstanding. Loved his work. I’ve heard the others were great too.
…..but he did at least play first class cricket as if to feebly enforce my original point.
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@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
In saying that ex players are ALWAYS better commentators than people who haven’t played in my opinion.
I'd put it a different way and say in cricket ex players have a ceiling that is higher than those who haven't played in regards to commentary. Someone like Ponting is an excellent listen.
Saying always better - clearly you haven't heard Dave Warner commentate.....
I'd rather have Mark Howard commentate than a number of ex players (Ian Healy, Rigor immediately come to mind).
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@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
@booboo said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
In saying that ex players are ALWAYS better commentators than people who haven’t played in my opinion.
Can't say I agree.
The fern is built on disagreements so thats fine.
Prime example for me is the Channel nine crew when Richie, Bill, Tony, Ian etc were in their pomp. Not only ex players but all very good players in their day too.
And they were inarguably better than the likes of John Arlott, Tony Cozier, Harsha Bogle, Neil Manthorpe, Christopher Martin-Jenkins, Brian Waddle, Jim Maxwell ... ?
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@booboo said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
@booboo said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
In saying that ex players are ALWAYS better commentators than people who haven’t played in my opinion.
Can't say I agree.
The fern is built on disagreements so thats fine.
Prime example for me is the Channel nine crew when Richie, Bill, Tony, Ian etc were in their pomp. Not only ex players but all very good players in their day too.
And they were inarguably better than the likes of John Arlott, Tony Cozier, Harsha Bogle, Neil Manthorpe, Christopher Martin-Jenkins, Brian Waddle, Jim Maxwell ... ?
I might be starting to regret my initial post……
But backing down online is considered weak so yeah, those guys you mentioned. All terrible.
Especially Harsha Boyle, not funny or insightful and his chemistry with Skull O’Keefe was non existent.
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@nzzp said in NZ Cricket:
@MN5 said in NZ Cricket:
I might be starting to regret my initial post……
Weakness! Clearly new information shouldn't change your mind ... the sharks are circling now
I’d be a fucken terrible politician….
OK,to rephrase, ex cricketers are USUALLY much better than those who never played the game to a high level.
( bracing myself for this statement to be ripped apart too )
Jezza Coney, Beefy Botham, Rigor, Hairy Javelin etc. Magnificent.
Hussey, M Waugh, Gilly, Merv Hughes, Wasim Akram….Warnie ( RIP ).the list just goes on.
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If Facebook comments are any guideline, Smithy seems to have close to univeral support for his one liner.
As for My Dear Old Thing. Getting hit by a bus may have impacted his future cricketing trajectory, or the decline might have been due regardless. He did nearly end up a Test cricketer though...
Blofeld was a very good schoolboy cricketer who captained Eton as a wicketkeeper-batsman, and while at school scored a hundred at Lord's against Combined Services. But in his final year at Eton he was knocked off his bicycle by a bus and suffered major head injuries. His health eventually recovered; less so his cricket. At Cambridge he did win his Blue in 1959 ("as an opening batsman of sorts… the worst Blue awarded since the war", he admitted) but talk of a first-class career had disappeared.
... [Now a Guardian correspondent on the 1963/64 tour of India]
Even though both wicketkeepers were included in the final XI, there was still a real danger that England would be short. While the need for a replacement was obvious, given Barrington's injury, there was no chance of anyone arriving from England in time for the game.
At a press conference on the eve of the Test, David Clark, the tour manager, told the media, only half-jokingly, that the last two fit members of the ensemble were himself and Blofeld. Clark, who had captained Kent between 1949 and 1951, admitted his last innings had been in a fathers' match in Oxford the previous summer.
"It will be a tragedy [if needed]," shrugged Clark. "I am slow, unfit and a poor cricketer. But we have got to raise an England side."
Blofeld, with a first-class appearance in 1959 and still only 24, was the only realistic option.
As the writers headed off, Clark took Blofeld to one side and suggested, only half-jokingly again, that he get to bed early. "With insufferable arrogance and, I hope, a smile, I replied I would certainly play if needed, but if I scored 50 or upwards in either innings I was damned if I would stand down for the Calcutta Test," Blofeld recalled. "I suspect that David's reply was unprintable." While outwardly flippant, Blofeld hardly slept a wink, as the enormity of the situation dawned on him.
Full read: 1964: Desperate times... send for Blowers
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When did ND become the Brave? What happened to the knights?
And what marketing genius thought that was a good name?
Yawn
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@mariner4life said in NZ Cricket:
When did ND become the Brave? What happened to the knights?
And what marketing genius thought that was a good name?
Yawn
About two seasons ago. It was an attempt at "leading" the provinces into having the same names for both men's and women's teams, inspiring for the future etc. Which backfired in this household, as Miss Steppa much preferred the Northern Spirit as a name.
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Jesus christ, that's idiotic
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@Donsteppa said in NZ Cricket:
If Facebook comments are any guideline, Smithy seems to have close to univeral support for his one liner.
I am sure Smith's comments are mainly referring to one "commentator", and I use that term loosely as he is appalling with his lack of knowledge.
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It is more than just one. One of the female comentators said in one stint that Michael Rae left Otago due to a lack of opportunities. That he has since thrived in Canterbury. He was our opening bowler and left after his partber got a job in Christchurch.
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@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
This NZ u/19 side is one of the worst batting units I have seen.
The bowling is ok Rowe and Clarke look promising but the batting is very weak and some very average batting technique.We have never been famous for our U19 sides... I think Reddy and the skipper Jackson look handy prospects.
The commentators pointed out last night that only a couple of players from each side generally have international careers, and only half domestic careers.
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@frugby said in NZ Cricket:
@Chris said in NZ Cricket:
This NZ u/19 side is one of the worst batting units I have seen.
The bowling is ok Rowe and Clarke look promising but the batting is very weak and some very average batting technique.We have never been famous for our U19 sides... I think Reddy and the skipper Jackson look handy prospects.
The commentators pointed out last night that only a couple of players from each side generally have international careers, and only half domestic careers.
Maybe but really if the coaching is producing those batting techniques the development is poor.
I was looking at the batting set ups and alignment when playing shots and it wasn’t good and in defence they were just pressing forward hoping they are playing down the correct line.
Reddy got done by a straight one just played down the wrong line.If it is as you say and the u/19s produce hardly any first class cricketers let alone internationals.
Where are they coming from ?
Is NZ identifying the wrong talent ? Because that is supposed to be the pathway.
Are you saying most of the u/19 players disappear after the program finishes.
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Probably the two best U19 sides we have had in recent history are unsurprisingly 2008 and 2010. Where the majoriry of the squads top players are mainstays in the national side. 2008 had eight future black caps, with 2010 had nine. Some cross over in the squads. In 2008 we lost the semi via D/L. In 2010 we finished 7th. That was the golden generation and we still didn't dominate. Semis was a decent resuly though
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The head coach is Jonny Bassett-Graham with assistance from Paul Wiseman and Graeme Aldridge. I've never heard of Bassett-Graham but he played for Auckland. Based on that group he must also be the batting coach.
Reddy scored big against Nepal and is only a Y13 this year.
