The Current State of Rugby
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@Kiwiwomble it's in the eye of the beholder.
I enjoy sitting in the stands watching any sport, and for those I know little about, I am completely on board with what you say.
But thats not where I am with rugby. The game is so technical now, you do need the endless replays and the referee's mic to really have a clue about what is happening on the paddock.
Rugby is getting closer and closer to F1. Watching an F1 race without a nearby screen is borderline pointless - it's just noise and cars going past really fast (which is pretty damn cool).
IT needn't be like this for rugby though.
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@MajorRage fair play....i find that stuff to be what ruining rugby (or my enjoyment of it anyway), the overcomplication of everything...ignorance is bliss
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could probably go in here
Well, here is a raw statistic for you: teams of about the same ability, that kick the ball more than their opponents, win around 75% of their games.
Forget about how a team kicks, whether it is for territory or to turn defences or put pressure on from line-outs. When you boil it all down, if you kick more times in a game, you tend to win more than you lose.
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
a quick thought, and ive been heading towards this for a while, im thinking that some of us that are starting to question if we are falling out of love with rugby.....its because (or at least partially) because we watch so much of it on TV, with endless replays trying to find the tiniest mistake or infringement, with commentators telling us everything we might have missed and how we should feel the actions of players....i think we need to get down the sideline more than in front of a screen, have some beers, chat with randoms and just enjoy
Agree wholeheartedly with this post , and the ones going along with it. Pro rugby has changed the game, and coaching now seems to be not losing rather than winning ie the phrase defence wins matches is unfortunatley too true! I am another who loves times spent on sidelines of club matches enjoying the game while mixing with likeminded people. Other thing is I a rugby fanatic and nerd and spend a lot of time on forums and let's be honest where an incredible amount of negative stuff is written. It never ceases to amaze me how people will remember and repeat 1-2 mistakes they see someone they not keen on, but will forget the the the say 30 good things they do? I think it kind of sums up that I enjoyed the Naki/Mako game on Sunday probably more than all the WC games, I was there, the rugby was played more positively, and although my team lost, it was rugby that I grew uo playing and loving regardless how laws etc make game a bit different. I actually wonder if test rugby is same sport at times.
You know I am pleased to know that although I am a dinosaur, there seem to be a few on this forum who seem to feel somewhar the same!
And don't even start me what Pro rugby has done to kids rugby!
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I think a heap of issues are related to the TMO. Something good happens. Wait, let's stop the game and check every little angle in super slow mo and see if maybe something wasn't right
No way the ref should have overturned that last French try, but he talked himself in to it.
It's almost as if the attitude is "something good can only come because some did something wrong"
Adds fucking nothing. Fuck it off
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
I think a heap of issues are related to the TMO. Something good happens. Wait, let's stop the game and check every little angle in super slow mo and see if maybe something wasn't right
No way the ref should have overturned that last French try, but he talked himself in to it.
It's almost as if the attitude is "something good can only come because some did something wrong"
Adds fucking nothing. Fuck it off
Ive always been of the opinion replays of foul play (not tries) should be in full speed only.
That's the speed that both parties entered the contact in and the speed in which they both had to make the decision.
Having super slow mo investigations of what happened is just Monday morning quarterbacking.
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Ive always been of the opinion replays of foul play (not tries) should be in full speed only.
Agreed - and limited time to make a decision. Full speed, maximum 3 replays. You get 30 seconds.
If we're putting a shot clock on players for kicks and scrums (the latter of which is being completely ignored I might add), then the officials should get it as well.
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@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Ive always been of the opinion replays of foul play (not tries) should be in full speed only.
Agreed - and limited time to make a decision. Full speed, maximum 3 replays. You get 30 seconds.
If we're putting a shot clock on players for kicks and scrums (the latter of which is being completely ignored I might add), then the officials should get it as well.
And if they make an error because they don't spot something within the time frame? Are people going to sit back and cut then some slack? I know we still get errors now but surely that would lead to more fuck ups and the 'we' are not mature enough to handle that.
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@Crazy-Horse they dont get any slack cut, this is the age of Social Media and keyboard warriors....they get abused and threatened.
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i think WR/NZR etc should be investing in some good marketing to try and teach people to chill out and accept there will be mistakes but the law of averages says they'll go both ways over time, sure there will always be those that try and make a big deal about reffing stuff ups....but if the majority of people pay them no more attention than a bit of side eye...and just move on
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
i think WR/NZR etc should be investing in some good marketing to try and teach people to chill out and accept there will be mistakes but the law of averages says they'll go both ways over time, sure there will always be those that try and make a big deal about reffing stuff ups....but if the majority of people pay them no more attention than a bit of side eye...and just move on
lol yeah do you know many ABs fans?
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@NTA seriously though, its one thing to come on here, have a vent, mark up some screen shots with red arrows.....its the abuse they cop directly thats bad, all the shit stirring in the media that make WR/NZR keep changing shit to try and appease people
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@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA seriously though, its one thing to come on here, have a vent, mark up some screen shots with red arrows.....its the abuse they cop directly that's bad, all the shit stirring in the media that make WR/NZR keep changing shit to try and appease people
People make a thousand different videos/screenshots of views with how things "should have been" because the myriad of laws allow for too much interpretation and its now so complex the refs have to take more time to work though their own process. Who made the rules that way? WR
I can't blame a scribe or punter for venting either, they sell their opinion that way.
If WR really want to help the refs and the viewing public they do need to change the rules further and rather than just the "lets just add on sub section 903 approach", in my opinion they need to remove half of them and modify what's left to be clear. Simplify the message.
Yes, you will still have human errors, but you will by default make it easier for decisions to be correct and allow a faster decision making process to be reached.
its a mess, as is the current spectacle
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@bayimports agreed, i realised the thread has moved on a lot from the last time i mentioned the rules need to be sorted so my last comment comes across like there is nothing wrong, i would go back to first principles, 15 on each team, no passing forward, scrum and linesouts are things....whats next?
i just think a lot of us could also do ourselves a favour by chilling out a little
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VAR/TMO/3rd Umpire was brought in to stop fans whinging about how they were robbed. And absolutely nothing changed. In any sport it was introduced to.
Fans (and losing coaches) will always blame the ref. And will always find evidence to support their team being dudded. Sport is human endeavor, and human endeavor comes with errors. From players and officials. -
@mariner4life agree, I don't think anyone will ever have the perfect solution because of this. But you can increase accuracy through simplification
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Sort of agree with the rule book. But i do like that rugby is a lot more technical than other football codes. The problem the game has from a rule book perspective is, it is supposed to be a game of constant contest, and contests will require judgement, from players and officials. There is no way for it to be any other way. Rugby League is a very basic game, and therefore a lot easier to officiate.
I would be a lot happier with the game as a spectacle if two things happened:
The ref was the sole judge of everything. I would allow a captains challenge per game if there absolutely must be something. Otherwise what the ref and touchies say goes.
The outcome of all but the worst infringements was a free kick. Other team was wrong? fine you get the ball. I would go like league with the 6-again, whereby if you get a penalty inside your 40m line, you get to kick down the field. Otherwise tap and go. Get back to a game where having the ball is still the biggest goal.Neither of these things will ever happen, i understand that.
I also get fans of other nations would vociferously call my attitudes idiocy, i also understand that. -
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
VAR/TMO/3rd Umpire was brought in to stop fans whinging about how they were robbed. And absolutely nothing changed. In any sport it was introduced to.
Fans (and losing coaches) will always blame the ref. And will always find evidence to support their team being dudded. Sport is human endeavor, and human endeavor comes with errors. From players and officials.Amen, and I abhor the whinging and screenshot shit, we see put up here, and why anyone thinks it should be NZR along with WR explaining etc, sure doesn't look at many rugby forums, it every rugby board in the world needs to do it?
Or more in my opinion, most so called fans of sports need to take a look at themselves, as most whingers etc on almost any forum you see, aren't sports fans, just want to ride on back of winning team? Usually because maybe they couldn't do it themselves and this is how they get to crow?
Personally think anyone who puts a screenshot on a forum to show a supposed foull play. forward pass/or any bad call should be awarded a kick in the bollocks!, And anyone that likes them can get away with a clip under the ears.
