Highlanders 2023
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@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2023:
@friedrugby said in Highlanders 2023:
@Chris-B said in Highlanders 2023:
@friedrugby Can't disagree on Mitch's size - it's a drawback - on defence and when he gets caught.
Mitch is one of my Mako boys - so I've seen plenty of him and I think I've got a pretty realistic view of his capabilities.
Ideally, you don't want him as your starting first five in Super rugby - but, I think you will struggle mightily to sign three first fives who are better next year.
Sure, but in effect he has been the Landers 2nd choice 10 this year, and he has been dreadful.
hunt? he's started 9 games at 10, thought it was pretty clear he was first choice
Only because Burns was injured though... (so I guess in effect first choice, probably poor choice of wording) my main point was, sometimes your backup gets heaps of gametime, and they need to be relied upon.
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@friedrugby how do we know that? hunt started the first few games before burns got injured, hell, burns had a shocker in his first start against the saders and straight back to hunt
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@Bones said in Highlanders 2023:
I'm more than happy to have a kid out there getting better from a low point, than Hunt out there getting worse from a low point.
That's what the Chiefs were forced to do with the locks a couple of seasons ago. The experience helped with their development.
I still believe that Faleafaga is the 1st 5 of the future. Better than Millar, but he needs to play NPC first.
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Do it for Aaron. That is all I ask, let's put in an 80 fucken minute performance, and send him off with a BP win, which should just about see us into the QFs.
Can't see it with the backline, which is about as inspiring as a Wayne Brown presser, but every dog has his day right?!
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@friedrugby i still think from our current squad thats the best backline we've put out, nareki back, hunt not 10, no paea
edit: i take it back, TUJ out
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@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2023:
@friedrugby i still think from our current squad thats the best backline we've put out, nareki back, hunt not 10, no paea
Nonsense. Hunt at 15? I get we have a few injuries, but Whaanga was deemed not good enough for Otago last year, and is now turning out for the Landers? Weird thinking. Lowe has been absolute toilet, Bogado back fit but not selected - weird.
I'd have gone Smith, Burns, Nareki, Gregory, Lowe, Bogado, Gilbert. Limited by options, and that backline is still crap lol.
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@friedrugby and starting someone slower than a prop at 12 means we're going to have to just agree to disagree
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@Kiwiwomble My main point is our backs are shit... surely we can agree on that! If I could, I'd start this backline:
- Smith
- Gilbert
- Nareki
- Gilbert
- Gilbert
- Gilbert
- Gilbert
And I'm not even sure Gilbert is a world-beater, but he is probably the best in all of those positions.
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@friedrugby i hate just writing off players as "shit" because they are still miles better than i am...but of course, our results show we're miles off the pace, but thats why i said i liked what they had selected from our squad and not in general
the way i see it, hunt has the yips, too in his head for 10 at super level, but his speed and and general skill level is still useful...where as i just dont think gregory is anywhere near super level, he's huge and any speed he use to have seems to have gone, guys that are getting paid to play rugby that done even look fit get very little respect from me
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@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2023:
@friedrugby i hate just writing off players as "shit" because they are still miles better than i am...but of course, our results show we're miles off the pace, but thats why i said i liked what they had selected from our squad and not in general
the way i see it, hunt has the yips, too in his head for 10 at super level, but his speed and and general skill level is still useful... whereas i just dont think gregory is anywhere near super level, he's huge and any speed he use to have seems to have gone, guys that are getting paid to play rugby that done even look fit get very little respect from me
Yes it is a hard one, I guess, outside of Nareki and Smith, and maybe Gilbert at a push, I don't think any of these guys start for any of the other New Zealand franchises, which already means that our backups are quite poor.
Ideally you'd ship them all out, but replacements are needed. Is TUJ one of our better backs? Yes. Is TUJ good enough? I'm not sure, but you'd like to keep him for the purposes of depth. I like the academy route, but outside of 9&10, not sure I'm convinced by any of these young fellas coming through.
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It is a tough one. We should be looking to fill from the top and empty from the bottom. Meaning all the players we potentially bring in have a higher ceiling than what we have at the moment, while we focus on getting rid of players who are at the bottom of the pile.
In the backs the players who are on the way out should be, Paea, Gregory, Koroi, Banks, Dawai.
In the forwards any of the hookers and apart from them, I think most of the forwards can justify their places in the squad.
But the question is; if we are getting rid of at least five backs, who is going to replace them. We know one is Jake Te Hiwi, but who else?
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@SouthernMann i do feel for koroi, he gets a couple of half games a season to be judged on
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He isn't a 10/winger or a 15. He won't get game time for Otago in any of the positions. We can't justify picking him.
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@SouthernMann i always thought he looked very comfortable on the wing or at 15 and passable to 10, i would have had him as 3rd choice 10 ahead of banks
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Who knows I may be wrong.
But I expect the wingers for Otago to be out of Nareki, Jermaine Pepe, Mefi Tupou, Oscar Schmidt-Uili and Jeremiah Asi. No room for Koroi.
Fullbacks will be Gilbert (may be a 12) and the midget Hurley
10s will be Ioane, Millar and Faleafaga
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@SouthernMann not saying he WILL play ahead of any other those guys, its clear the next generation is coming, just that over the last couple of years i would have given him more game time as ive always liked what i saw when he played
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@friedrugby said in Highlanders 2023:
Yes it is a hard one, I guess, outside of Nareki and Smith, and maybe Gilbert at a push, I don't think any of these guys start for any of the other New Zealand franchises, which already means that our backups are quite poor.
Ideally you'd ship them all out, but replacements are needed. Is TUJ one of our better backs? Yes. Is TUJ good enough? I'm not sure, but you'd like to keep him for the purposes of depth. I like the academy route, but outside of 9&10, not sure I'm convinced by any of these young fellas coming through.
Lowe was a regular starter for the Chiefs. I think for any winger it's hard playing with players like Hunt, Paeal (& Gregory) in the halves/midfield. But I maintain that coaching is also a major problem at the Highlanders, because they also don't seem to get the best out of players like TU-J & CG-B, and even Nareki and Fakatava, who are all players who can play better than they do at the moment (admittedly, Fakatava is steadily getting better in his way back from injury; Nareki also just returned from injury).
@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2023:
In the backs the players who are on the way out should be, Paea, Gregory, Koroi, Banks, Dawai.
Yep.
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@Stargazer yeah, you can see in how we play we're just not putting our wingers in space (as the AB's have been guilty off over the last few years), if it makes it past the midfield at all it is often just shovelled out and our wingers might be covered by two people and we're like "go on...score the try...."
wingers are definitely on the list of players we need to improve...but if i have to prioritise they would come after 10-13
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Yeah 10,12, 13 and fullback are the focus areas. The wingers of Nareki, Bogado and Lowe should be fine if there are players around them who have the ability to set things up.
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From reading a few posts on here, I would suggest that the thoughts of a clean out are wide of the mark. Highlanders look to me a team that has decided they have to go with youth for long ru results. Only sensible thing to do in NZ, and I think their payoff will be 3-4 years down track. Anyone recall Chiefs results a couple of years back? Patience is required of their supporters at moment I think.
