AFL 2022
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@barbarian said in AFL 2022:
@antipodean So? Just a drafted quote in a media release that he probably never saw. Also before he was Chairman of said church.
I don't follow this line of reasoning. Would he oversee all media releases at Essendon? Did he only come to his religious beliefs as chairman of his church?
I also love the outcry from Peter Dutton and the Sky News types. Always the first to decry 'don't mix politics and sport' when a player takes a knee or makes a statement, but don't waste a second before giving us their thoughts on the Essendon Bombers hiring and firing policies.
They're just as bad as their opposites.
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@antipodean said in AFL 2022:
@barbarian said in AFL 2022:
@antipodean So? Just a drafted quote in a media release that he probably never saw. Also before he was Chairman of said church.
I don't follow this line of reasoning. Would he oversee all media releases at Essendon? Did he only come to his religious beliefs as chairman of his church?
I do think there is a distinction between being a member of a church congregation and the Chairman of said church.
If he was fired merely because he was attending a church then I think that's too far. But if he's the leader (and therefore much more accountable for the direction of the church) then I think it's fair game to consider that when it comes to his position as CEO.
Frankly as Joe Aston points out it's not actually the issue that should have prevented his hiring, but I do think it should have been considered more than it was at the time.
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@kiwiinmelb said in AFL 2022:
What I did find funny ,
On Sen Andy Marr who is a bit of a cheerleader for wokeism , was blasting Essendon for employing someone with these outdated views , but is also a big bacher houli fan , opened up the lines ,
After about ten calls in a row of people calling him a hypocrite because he loves houli and muslims, and they have these same outdated views on homosexuality and abortions , changed subject
I heard that and I was almost ready to ring up!
There’s contradictions all round on this whole thing.
Part of me says, the whole appointment process was a bit of a schmozzle but not without precedent. But this is a club that is in the firing line and many are relishing in their demise - so squeaky clean or don’t do it.
Part of me says, there are those that delight in bringing religion/social issues/politics into sport because it does get Aussies fired up and gives journos stuff to write about that’s a bit different than the actual sport.
Part of me says, sucked in Essendon.
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@barbarian said in AFL 2022:
@antipodean said in AFL 2022:
@barbarian said in AFL 2022:
@antipodean So? Just a drafted quote in a media release that he probably never saw. Also before he was Chairman of said church.
I don't follow this line of reasoning. Would he oversee all media releases at Essendon? Did he only come to his religious beliefs as chairman of his church?
I do think there is a distinction between being a member of a church congregation and the Chairman of said church.
If he was fired merely because he was attending a church then I think that's too far. But if he's the leader (and therefore much more accountable for the direction of the church) then I think it's fair game to consider that when it comes to his position as CEO.
I think that neatly summarises the modern era - where the judgment based on perception rules without evidence, or even contrary to. I wonder how he discharged his duties for the Victorian Equal Opportunity & Human Rights Commission as a conservative Anglican.
Frankly as Joe Aston points out it's not actually the issue that should have prevented his hiring, but I do think it should have been considered more than it was at the time.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
@kiwiinmelb said in AFL 2022:
What I did find funny ,
On Sen Andy Marr who is a bit of a cheerleader for wokeism , was blasting Essendon for employing someone with these outdated views , but is also a big bacher houli fan , opened up the lines ,
After about ten calls in a row of people calling him a hypocrite because he loves houli and muslims, and they have these same outdated views on homosexuality and abortions , changed subject
I heard that and I was almost ready to ring up!
There’s contradictions all round on this whole thing.
Part of me says, the whole appointment process was a bit of a schmozzle but not without precedent. But this is a club that is in the firing line and many are relishing in their demise - so squeaky clean or don’t do it.
Part of me says, there are those that delight in bringing religion/social issues/politics into sport because it does get Aussies fired up and gives journos stuff to write about that’s a bit different than the actual sport.
Part of me says, sucked in Essendon.
I believe a lot of this type of stuff is a bit more political than people realise if you follow the tracks ,
This woke movement is pretty much all left ,
And Christian’s are more right , particularly in America where the bible belts tend to be in the red states and want no part in the stuff they are pushing
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you know what? fuck this guy. zero sympathy
Busted leading an orgnaisation outright stealing off the people they were supposed to help.
Got himself a job of a community organisation (AFL clubs are not private companies, they stand for something) despite holding some pretty fucking shithouse beliefs. AFLW is a thing now, he's their CEO too. Hating on the gays and comparing abortions to the holocaust while leading an organisation with a women's team? That's never going to work.
Organised religion and their outdated views can do one and i have zero sympathy
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goddam there is something seriously broken in the AFL's free agent and salary cap system
Geelong just absolutely robbed the fuck out of the Suns, who need to create cap space to re-sign their best talent. Why are the Suns fucked cap-wise? Because they have to overpay to keep anyone, and they are forced to spend over the cap-floor.
So along comes a club like Geelong, who gets players for unders (apparently) because they are constantly in contention, and they get a player, and a high draft pick, and GC paying some of his salary. And they just won the fucking comp.
Melbourne just picked up a superstar they don't even need, with Collingwood picking up some of the tab. Even then how the fuck are Melbourne able to afford Brodie Grundy given the rest of their list?
Somehow Brisbane are going to get two of the best kids in the draft AND the Bulldogs best and fairest winner. And they've only had to release McStay, and the lesser Berry.
Meanwhile everyone is leaving North. GWs are getting picked over again.
Every year the teams at the top get better at the expense of the ones at the bottom.
Fans of the top teams will point to the draft picks (though Collingwood got like pick 27 for Grundy?) as some sort of compensation. Draft picks are over rated. Unless you stumble on a ready-to-go talent they do nothing for your team. You need to hope you get a few at the same time, and you can keep them when their rookie deal is up.
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Yeah it has to change. The Bowes trade is absurd.
Surely they have to look at the NBA style Supermax contracts that allow you to earn more with the club who drafted you than anyone else.
That's helped the small market teams keep their talent, and surely that's what the Suns and North and GWS need to keep guys like Taranto, Jeremy Cameron etc.
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They haven’t got the settings right on draftee contracts either.
These players that go top 10 and then want to leave after one season, the team that drafts them are left at the mercy of the trade system (that is broken), is simply not right.
The wanting to “go home” is a real issue, but that needs to be balanced better with investment by the club.
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the best kids go to the shittest teams. what do they expect? immediate improvement? And how do they improve when they lose their best players?
The go-home factor is an enormous drawback for a "national" comp without national depth
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maybe free agency stuffed it for those clubs , if a player wants out , clubs trade to get what they can when they can before they walk for free,
But in saying all that , very happy we got Taranto and Hopper ,both around 23 , handy additions to an ageing midfield ,
And for us , its nice to be considered a destination club rather than a basket case
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@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
They haven’t got the settings right on draftee contracts either.
These players that go top 10 and then want to leave after one season, the team that drafts them are left at the mercy of the trade system (that is broken), is simply not right.
The wanting to “go home” is a real issue, but that needs to be balanced better with investment by the club.
Fuck the "go homers". They're adults and handsomely remunerated. If you want to go back to your parents or childhood friends, get another job.
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@antipodean especially when you consider how short their careers are...they have decades to go back home after they retire
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@antipodean Yes, one would think being away from home might be more attractive at that age.
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@antipodean said in AFL 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
They haven’t got the settings right on draftee contracts either.
These players that go top 10 and then want to leave after one season, the team that drafts them are left at the mercy of the trade system (that is broken), is simply not right.
The wanting to “go home” is a real issue, but that needs to be balanced better with investment by the club.
Fuck the "go homers". They're adults and handsomely remunerated. If you want to go back to your parents or childhood friends, get another job.
and it's not just "go home" either
it's "i want to go home and play for this club no matter the offer"
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@barbarian said in AFL 2022:
@antipodean Yes, one would think being away from home might be more attractive at that age.
But but but he’s only a 19 yo kid - this line gets trotted out all the time and has been over the last 24 hours with the latest trade of a number 1 pick
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Be interesting to see what percentage while using the go home excuse,
Are still going to a club in a much stronger position
im guessing most .
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St Kilda sacking their coach just after the trade window and a couple of months after extending him is definitely something
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hey @ACT-Crusader what are your feelings on getting back with your ex-missus who left you?
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Be interesting to see how it goes
He must’ve left on good terms for them to welcome him back .
I guess it’s a case of taking the best coach available
