AFL 2022
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swannies with another huge win...tough one coming up though
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Things are grim at the Lions
We play pretty football that looks great going one way, but by christ our midfield doesn't work hard enough in defense. We've now lost a few in quick succession, and crumble against any decent side we play.
I think my prediction of them being a good team that never wins anything before the inevitable slide is going to come to pass.
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@mariner4life what was it mate, 9 out with COVID? Lions were up against it.
Saints are cooked. We are neither really crap or that good. We are in between and that’s not necessarily a good place to be in.
What a win by the Suns! Love it.
And poor old Kangas could’ve made 3/4s of the footy world happy…
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@ACT-Crusader yeah we were smoked this week, especially down back
But i think my take on the Lions is real. The record in finals and big games speaks for itself.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
And poor old Kangas could’ve made 3/4s of the footy world happy…
And it looks like it has cost Noble his job
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
And poor old Kangas could’ve made 3/4s of the footy world happy…
And it looks like it has cost Noble his job
Or it could’ve delayed the inevitable by a week!
I feel sorry for him. This has been a shambles for years and it starts with the “we are not rebuilding” to “we are rebuilding” then to gutting the list way to harshly, then sacking Scott and then setting (by the President) of the most unrealistic timeframes when they hired Noble of a “2-3 years”.
The Demons suffered far more pain before they eventually got it right - the dark days under Neale before the Roos intervention.
Noble’s short tenure was not that sort of intervention.
Other heads need to roll, so I guess we will see what happens at the upcoming presser later this morning.
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If Dusty needs to move to Sydney to better his mental health and extend his career, he can go with my blessings. He is a big reason we got to shake the 🐒 off our back and win three (should've been four) premierships.
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@ACT-Crusader If you were Noble, it's almost better you got sacked now. It's such an almighty shit show that you could say to any future employer - 'I was dealt a horrible hand and didn't get the chance to succeed'.
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@barbarian said in AFL 2022:
@ACT-Crusader If you were Noble, it's almost better you got sacked now. It's such an almighty shit show that you could say to any future employer - 'I was dealt a horrible hand and didn't get the chance to succeed'.
just like the Wests Tigers, who wants to commit career suicide by going there?
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@barbarian every rebuild coach is doomed to fail. I can think of one or two in the last 20 years that have survived - Clarko and Ken Hinkley. There is a list as long as your arm of seemingly good footy brains that never see the rebuild through.
Noble will have plenty of opportunities but not a senior coach role in the immediate future.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
@barbarian every rebuild coach is doomed to fail. I can think of one or two in the last 20 years that have survived - Clarko and Ken Hinkley. There is a list as long as your arm of seemingly good footy brains that never see the rebuild through.
You can add Damien Hardwick to that list. And he got to reap the benefits.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
@barbarian every rebuild coach is doomed to fail. I can think of one or two in the last 20 years that have survived - Clarko and Ken Hinkley. There is a list as long as your arm of seemingly good footy brains that never see the rebuild through.
Noble will have plenty of opportunities but not a senior coach role in the immediate future.
True, but generally they don't get punted this quickly. And after last season you'd have said he had the team in pretty good shape under the circumstances.
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@antipodean said in AFL 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
@barbarian every rebuild coach is doomed to fail. I can think of one or two in the last 20 years that have survived - Clarko and Ken Hinkley. There is a list as long as your arm of seemingly good footy brains that never see the rebuild through.
You can add Damien Hardwick to that list. And he got to reap the benefits.
Richmond is an interesting one because they had bottomed out under Wallace and he started the rebuild with changes to the list but had considerable pain for his last 3 seasons. Wallace resigned mid season and a caretaker coach comes in to complete the 2009 season. Then Hardwick is appointed to kick off 2010 and has a rough first season (no surprise) but then gets them to mid table-ish, but outside the 8 the next season.
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@barbarian said in AFL 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in AFL 2022:
@barbarian every rebuild coach is doomed to fail. I can think of one or two in the last 20 years that have survived - Clarko and Ken Hinkley. There is a list as long as your arm of seemingly good footy brains that never see the rebuild through.
Noble will have plenty of opportunities but not a senior coach role in the immediate future.
True, but generally they don't get punted this quickly. And after last season you'd have said he had the team in pretty good shape under the circumstances.
I think the whole review thing was cover for this whole disaster show including firing Scott and hiring Noble
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The whole thing in hindsight was really weird. Noble was really experienced, but has spent 10 years as an administrator (really helped build the Lions' list)
They then took him at North to coach again, i assume based as much on his experience building clubs than anything (which is in itself a weird decision). They absolutely gut the list.
Then the President does a bizarre interview where he gives Noble 3 years (with a dogshit list) to make the top 4 and "contend for a premiership"
They were doomed at that point.
Look, 5-33 or what ever it was, and getting belted every week, it's pretty clear this wasn't working. So making a change is probably the right move. but
who can they get?
And what are the realistic expectations they can have?Rebuilds from this point take 5 years minimum. And that's if you nail the draft every year, and get some trade steals. Most rebuilds from the bottom go nowhere for ages these days.
Any coach going in knows they are going to lose. a lot. The media are going to go after them to get sacked at some point in teh next 18 months. And, even if you survive the media onslaught, it's basically guaranteed you'll get fired before the real results arrive
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And it's made worse by the fact that North are poor as shit and nobody really wants to play for them.
If you look at Carlton, they were dogshit for a very long time. But they have turned it around in large part to bringing in free agents - Saad, Williams, Cerra, Hewett etc.
Being a part of a big Melbourne club was still a pull factor, even if they were rubbish.
North don't have this, and it seems almost impossible that they can build a roster capable of winning a flag. Who was the last genuinely good free agent to choose to go to North?
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@barbarian said in AFL 2022:
North don't have this, and it seems almost impossible that they can build a roster capable of winning a flag. Who was the last genuinely good free agent to choose to go to North?
the "North warchest" has been a running joke for years
they have thrown money at everyone that comes up and they get nothing.
Isn't their financial situation actually pretty solid
(as an aside, Carlton being a trade destination of choice every year despite being dogshit for 20 years has always fucked me off, and is the big red flag about why it's so hard for clubs outside of Vic to build up).
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Could someone that knows a bit more about these things please explain the North Melbourne v Richmond result thanks?
2022 is drunk
also loooooooooooool
this season is all over the shop
The Bulldogs beat the Saints by more than the scoreboard suggests.
Carlton again fail when playing a decent side
Swans go to Perth and beat Freo
Essendon win again.So we have 2 wins separating 1st and 7th. Then 5 teams battling for 8th
Hawthorn, Essendon, GWS, the Crows, the Eagles and North are already booking Bali for September.
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the run home is interesting
Geelong do not play another side currently in the top 8
Melbourne have to play Freo, Collingwood, Carlton and the Lions
The Lions have Carlton and Melbourne
Freo have the Dees
Collingwood have Melbourne, Sydney and Carlton
Sydney have a very nice run, only having to host Collingwood
Carlton finish with the Lions, the Dees and CollingwoodOf the teams looking at 8th Port and the Suns probably have the best draw
So i reckon the final 8 is
Cats
Freo
Melbourne
Brisbane
Sydney
Collingwood
Carlton
Port (huge after starting 0-5)
