NRL 2022
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@kiwiinmelb said in NRL 2022:
Sack the coach , start again .
Repeat .
the flip side of this post is
Stop appointing seriously shit coaches. Coaches who were known to be pretty ordinary before they got the job.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
Stop appointing seriously shit coaches. Coaches who were known to be pretty ordinary before they got the job.
100% this.
A lot of similar talk about the Blues are few years ago and look where they are now.
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shamelessly stolen from elsewhere
Here's a few Warriors stats for the season to cheer us all up
- 16th in run metres
- 16th in offloads
- 16th in tackle breaks
- 16th in decoy runs
- 2nd most missed tackles
- 13th in line breaks, and 15th in line break assists.
Which is damning on the coaching staff, and the halves.
And highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in the backline. -
Don't worry the Warriors have signed another couple of young Aussies. So not only are they going to suck, the Warriors are going to be full of Aussies who If they are any good will bail at the first opportunity.
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@Crazy-Horse said in NRL 2022:
Don't worry the Warriors have signed another couple of young Aussies. So not only are they going to suck, the Warriors are going to be full of Aussies who If they are any good will bail at the first opportunity.
i do not blame them. Success in rugby league is:
Win the comp
Play OriginTwo things you can't do from the Warriors.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in NRL 2022:
Don't worry the Warriors have signed another couple of young Aussies. So not only are they going to suck, the Warriors are going to be full of Aussies who If they are any good will bail at the first opportunity.
i do not blame them. Success in rugby league is:
Win the comp
Play OriginTwo things you can't do from the Warriors.
Agree.
The other thing about signing a lot Aussies, and I am sure it's been mentioned on here before, is the potential to alienate the NZ fan base. Do NZers really want to get behind a team of Aussies?
One of the things I enjoyed about watching the NRL was keeping an eye out for up and coming Kiwis. That has gone for me now with the emergence of Tonga etc. It was bad enough wondering whether Origin was going to take Kiwis, now the Islands are a factor too.
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@Crazy-Horse said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
@Crazy-Horse said in NRL 2022:
Don't worry the Warriors have signed another couple of young Aussies. So not only are they going to suck, the Warriors are going to be full of Aussies who If they are any good will bail at the first opportunity.
i do not blame them. Success in rugby league is:
Win the comp
Play OriginTwo things you can't do from the Warriors.
Agree.
The other thing about signing a lot Aussies, and I am sure it's been mentioned on here before, is the potential to alienate the NZ fan base. Do NZers really want to get behind a team of Aussies?
One of the things I enjoyed about watching the NRL was keeping an eye out for up and coming Kiwis. That has gone for me now with the emergence of Tonga etc. It was bad enough wondering whether Origin was going to take Kiwis, now the Islands are a factor too.
I have heard that the Warriors have invested a lot in grass roots recently. My best memories were of the team of young kids that ended up going to the grand final. If they can bring through home grown players it will be cheaper and they will want to play for the jersey. There was a time we were the best at Toyota Cup level. What happened?
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
shamelessly stolen from elsewhere
Here's a few Warriors stats for the season to cheer us all up
- 16th in run metres
- 16th in offloads
- 16th in tackle breaks
- 16th in decoy runs
- 2nd most missed tackles
- 13th in line breaks, and 15th in line break assists.
Which is damning on the coaching staff, and the halves.
And highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in the backline.And all that without Solomone Kata!
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
shamelessly stolen from elsewhere
Here's a few Warriors stats for the season to cheer us all up
- 16th in run metres
- 16th in offloads
- 16th in tackle breaks
- 16th in decoy runs
- 2nd most missed tackles
- 13th in line breaks, and 15th in line break assists.
Which is damning on the coaching staff, and the halves.
And highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in the backline.I don't agree with that it highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in our backline, however I agree with the rest. Its amazing how good a team can look if every player knows where they need to run in advance in a play. Most successful attacking raids do require decoys and halves calling plays, none of which looks like it is obviously happening well (if at all). The Storm who are the best at executing a plan, know what is required on almost every play, which makes average players look like world beaters. When they go to other teams they normally show how average they are.
Our offload execution has been poor as well. When we have tried to offload, I would suggest without knowing we probably lead the ineffective offload statistic. Coupled with the fact that we have not being doing many is a worry as tabled then that shows we are not not getting much second phase ball, which also shows the importance of getting the structured plays right.
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors. However one thing that seems inbred in this team over many years, is once you are losing by a bit, throw in the towel. That is always disappointing.
Lack of execution- of any play from all involved is my biggest pain point. I never see enough decoy runners on hardly any play which does not help our halves either, if you only have one obvious target, a play is easy to shut down. If everyone is not executing that then should reflect on coaching which above all.
A calm head like Tohu back may help some defensive structure issues, but he is not going to fix the rest.
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I don't know much about league, so wonder how easy it is to change between positions on the field? I noticed that Leo Thompson is listed as a prop and used as a prop in the Knight's first rounds, but is now playing at lock. Is it correct to assume that the difference between league frontrowers and backrowers is smaller than in rugby?
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@Stargazer Very little difference in the current ways team are set up between front row and the lock jersey. However the lock (13) should have better balls skills as is often used as a link player, hitting up but not taking the tackle and often passing behind. Edge backrowers 11, 12 are different and currently tend to be forwards that could play in the centers or ex centers, again generally breaking or creating gaps. Ironically given Leo's background he could probably play on the edge, but since he started at prop, playing at 13 would be good for him.
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@Stargazer Very little difference in the current ways team are set up between front row and the lock jersey. However the lock (13) should have better balls skills as is often used as a link player, hitting up but not taking the tackle and often passing behind. Edge backrowers 11, 12 are different and currently tend to be forwards that could play in the centers or ex centers, again generally breaking or creating gaps. Ironically given Leo's background he could probably play on the edge, but since he started at prop, playing at 13 would be good for him.
yeah 8, 10, and 13 are just middle forwards really.
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
shamelessly stolen from elsewhere
Here's a few Warriors stats for the season to cheer us all up
- 16th in run metres
- 16th in offloads
- 16th in tackle breaks
- 16th in decoy runs
- 2nd most missed tackles
- 13th in line breaks, and 15th in line break assists.
Which is damning on the coaching staff, and the halves.
And highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in the backline.I don't agree with that it highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in our backline, however I agree with the rest. Its amazing how good a team can look if every player knows where they need to run in advance in a play. Most successful attacking raids do require decoys and halves calling plays, none of which looks like it is obviously happening well (if at all). The Storm who are the best at executing a plan, know what is required on almost every play, which makes average players look like world beaters. When they go to other teams they normally show how average they are.
Our offload execution has been poor as well. When we have tried to offload, I would suggest without knowing we probably lead the ineffective offload statistic. Coupled with the fact that we have not being doing many is a worry as tabled then that shows we are not not getting much second phase ball, which also shows the importance of getting the structured plays right.
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors. However one thing that seems inbred in this team over many years, is once you are losing by a bit, throw in the towel. That is always disappointing.
Lack of execution- of any play from all involved is my biggest pain point. I never see enough decoy runners on hardly any play which does not help our halves either, if you only have one obvious target, a play is easy to shut down. If everyone is not executing that then should reflect on coaching which above all.
A calm head like Tohu back may help some defensive structure issues, but he is not going to fix the rest.
i think the run metres and the line breaks does show our guys aren't a serious danger, as even a structureless team can create linebreaks if they can beat a man (or just run through guys if you are Justin olam), but your point about our attacking structures was my shot at the coaches and the playmakers.
They way they quit as soon as it gets hard is damning.
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors.
Justin Morgan, who is in charge of the defence, was quoted before the Storm game as saying he was happy with the improvement in the defence. Great timing, of course.
One of the problems is how young and inexperienced the centres and back three are.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
i think the run metres and the line breaks does show our guys aren't a serious danger, as even a structureless team can create linebreaks if they can beat a man (or just run through guys if you are Justin olam), but your point about our attacking structures was my shot at the coaches and the playmakers.
They way they quit as soon as it gets hard is damning.
Which is why I agreed with the rest of your points, we pretty much agree on the same weaknesses They dont show it, but I would suggest we are also the worst at six-agains, which leads to runs and run/metres. AFB is still one of the best in post contact metres but lacks support.
Do we have a star center ..no, but we have scored tries out wide through passing, so thats why I am not so harsh on their individual game breaking. If the forwards were providing second phase ball and the halves calling plays and players were running where they should, even average centres can look good. Its just not happening enough.
another halves cripple fight this week.. or we might look Cody look good for the first time, after the sh*t we have been serving up
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors.
Justin Morgan, who is in charge of the defence, was quoted before the Storm game as saying he was happy with the improvement in the defence. Great timing, of course.
One of the problems is how young and inexperienced the centres and back three are.
absolutely and not an easy position to get up to speed with quickly, clearly an oversight from management letting someone like Hiku go. Others not so much
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NRL 2022: NZ Warriors owner Mark Robinson backs Nathan Brown as coach, confident of playoffs | Newshub
The Auckland NRL side have suffered embarrassing setbacks against Melbourne Storm and Cronulla Sharks in recent weeks.
Either Robinson knows something we don't, or his man love for Brown is clouding his judgement
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as the old saying goes
"you cannot stab a man in the back without getting behind him first"
The only reason we are a shout at play off football is because of how much the comp sucks.
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We showed a bit of steel in the second half tonight. Four tries to one and we actually looked organised on both sides of the ball.
Panthers v Storm coming up. It’s been wet as up here in Brissy and I suspect this will be a defensive slog.
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@ACT-Crusader said in NRL 2022:
We showed a bit of steel in the second half tonight. Four tries to one and we actually looked organised on both sides of the ball.
Panthers v Storm coming up. It’s been wet as up here in Brissy and I suspect this will be a defensive slog.
Too bad the game is won and lost over 2 halves....
