Black Caps vs Proteas 2022
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Tough to put the toothpaste back in the tube after that send off etc even if they wanted to.
Our batting depth is wafer thin. If all are fully fit who goes to England as our top order batting specialist reserve? Phillips or someone with zero test experience? Can't even think of a name. They will probably take a bunch of middle order players and move everyone up.
They seem to have massively overestimated out batting stocks on the back of Ravindra blocking out a test and one T20 innings from Mitchell. Not to mention Blundell and Nicholls who have been in about the same form as Taylor over the past 18 months (save for that 150 from Nicholls against Pakistan where he was dropped 5 times or so).
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None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
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@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
I fear our bowling is only a few short years from looking just as thin.
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@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
I think we just need to accept we had a freakish golden period with some all time NZ greats and that will come to an end soon and we might end up like ( as one example ) Sri Lanka did when Sangakkara and Jayawardene retired at the same time.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
I think a teams best batsman is virtually always three OR four……
Our Geoffrey says, "Ee's not played much attention to cricket 'istory, tha' lad".
I think it depends on who's available to the team. It wouldn't have made sense to shift Kane to 4 when Rossco and Nicholls weren't suited to 3.
> Sir Viv is probably a bit of a model - slowly drifting through 3,4,5 and a few experiments elsewhere.
Dunno about that, he was the exception not the rule.
In saying that Steve Waugh and Border were better players than Boon and Mark Waugh yet always batted five or six.
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@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
I wouldn't be surprised if there was some mutual agreement there. I would doubt that the selectors went out of their way to convince him to retire from tests after the SA series, and there is zero, I mean zero, chatter around them asking him to reconsider now the Aussie tour is off and Kane is injured.
White did say on the TV news that Taylor has retired from test cricket so there was no chance he would be selected despite the uncertainty over Williamson.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
I think we just need to accept we had a freakish golden period with some all time NZ greats and that will come to an end soon and we might end up like ( as one example ) Sri Lanka did when Sangakkara and Jayawardene retired at the same time.
We also needed to make the most of that talent and rotation would have meant we wouldn't have got the results we did, especially in the test arena. We played the WTC perfectly and managed to win the fucking thing, I really don't have any expectations of us going back to back.
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Not quite the squad I was expecting, but an interesting one. Perhaps:
- Young
- Latham (c)
- Conway
- Nicholls
- Mitchell
- Blundell
- Ravindra
- de Grandhomme
- Jamieson
- Southee
- Wagner
... with 5, 6, 7, & 8 probably in any random order, depending on the state of the game?
On paper that is a short tail, and has six bowling options, but is also a 5 - 8 that could vanish quickly with the bat, depending on their collective day.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Not quite the squad I was expecting, but an interesting one. Perhaps:
- Young
- Latham (c)
- Conway
- Nicholls
- Mitchell
- Blundell
- Ravindra
- de Grandhomme
- Jamieson
- Southee
- Wagner
... with 5, 6, 7, & 8 probably in any random order, depending on the state of the game?
On paper that is a short tail, and has six bowling options, but is also a 5 - 8 that could vanish quickly with the bat, depending on their collective day.
Yeah its a funny one eh depending how you look at it. 5-8 could go ok but major risk they dont and therefore we are very reliant on the top 4.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The team looks weak as anything without KW, Rossco and Boult there.
SA to take the series 2-0
I'm thinking 1 - 1, or even 1 - 0 to us, depending on how SA adjust to the conditions. Partly that Boult could be back for the second test, and partly that de Grandhomme might dry up the scoring at one end for Wags to put even more pressure on. Plus our top three with the bat.
(Though my brain is doing its best to block out the Bay Oval memories...)
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The team looks weak as anything without KW, Rossco and Boult there.
SA to take the series 2-0
I'm thinking 1 - 1, or even 1 - 0 to us, depending on how SA adjust to the conditions. Partly that Boult could be back for the second test, and partly that de Grandhomme might dry up the scoring at one end for Wags to put even more pressure on. Plus our top three with the bat.
(Though my brain is doing its best to block out the Bay Oval memories...)
It was a slightly over dramatic post…..it should be a pretty damn close series.
Interesting to see Kens son come back from the wilderness !
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Interesting to see Kens son come back from the wilderness !
It's at least theoretically possible that in a couple of years time in a T20 or ODI v an Associate Member Nation there could be a Black Caps side including sons of Latham, Rutherford, B Bracewell, Cumming, Kuggeleijn, and Pringle.
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The selection of Mitchell for over Ravindra for the second test v Bangladesh at Hagley Oval was a poor one IMO. Short sighted.
Now, I'm a big fan of Mitchell, and think he is currently a better test player than Ravindra. I also have very little nerves about him having to come into the team as a short term replacement - as he shows he has confidence in his game at the age and the stage of his career that he is. So if Mitchell had missed Bangles second test and was being drafted in this week I would be no less confident in him.
I didn't kick up a fuss at the time and write a scathing anonymous post on the silverfern !!! ..... as it wasn't that unexpected. They don't pick a spinner at Hagley. Last year Santner played at Mt Maunganui and was replaced the next week at Hagley by Mitchell. So it was par for the course and I wasn't surprised. Just a bit disappointed at the short sightedness.
Ravindra playing at 6 or 7 and as the part time spinner is really just the cheats code for trying to get him into the test 11 slightly quicker, where he is expected to eventually open. We are further away form that scenario than we needed to be, and now 2 openings have come up in the top 4, and we have a makeshift 3/4 opening and an opener down at 7 (maybe). If, in this alternative universe, Ravindra had scored even a 40 or something in the 2nd Bangladesh test, then taking a punt and just getting on with it and elevating him to open could be on.... it's not even a possibility next week. If he hadn't grabbed a chance in 2nd Bangles test and had failed again, then could put him back to Plunket for a year with no qualms.
Shark mentioned in an earlier post about whether we have missed opportunities to blood players. IMO we haven't except for this very one minor occasion. This team will age together, and that's just something I can accept.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Interesting to see Kens son come back from the wilderness !
It's at least theoretically possible that in a couple of years time in a T20 or ODI v an Associate Member Nation there could be a Black Caps side including sons of Latham, Rutherford, B Bracewell, Cumming, Kuggeleijn, and Pringle.
I think they’ll all want to have considerably better careers than their old men, harsh but fair.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Interesting to see Kens son come back from the wilderness !
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I had a look a couple of days ago at Plunket Shield performances and based purely on stats it's a pretty small field to pick from.
I thought Fletcher, Bruce, Cleaver and Rutherford - and now just maybe Chapman, because he's got international experience.
Greg Hay seems a bit unlucky never to have got a shot at internationals somewhere along the line, but he's a bit long in the tooth now.
