Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022
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Haven’t read the prior 360odd posts but to me this performance really highlights the impact that Williamson has on the team when he’s on the field, in a captaincy role or otherwise.
He leads from the front and the “steady the ship” slogan really shows the composure he brings to not only his game but the other players in the team, ie, those who he bats with, and whilst fielding the chat in the field and tactical changes he makes with bowlers and the field, etc. I can’t believe we would have folded or played with a lack of spine like we did the past 5 days had he been in the team.
The sooner he is back, the better.
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Fuck being a Kiwi cricket fan. Second you start to think we don't do that shit anymore, we do.
Regardless of anything else, that Wednesday morning effort was atrociously poor. We still had a pretty good chance of a draw with 5 wickets intact on a dead wicket. All we had to do was block it out and get the last 5 wickets to add another 100-120 runs and we would have been fine. Instead we rolled over like lame ducks.
We have a right to be angry, we are supposed to be better than this shit now.
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@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
I remember back in the 80s when the fledgling Sri Lankan cricket test side were the easybeats of world cricket. Similarly, Bangladesh have a strong fan and player base, and it was inevitable that they would win an away test against a top tier nation sooner rather than later.
And I think Bangles have been pretty solid in age grade for a number of years now so yeah it was only a matter of time.
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@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Fucking great start to 2022 lol
The Bangles are a team that has enough quality to beat anyone of their day if the opposition is off their game, hence them racking up more and more wins in the shorter forms. But to do it over 5 days, away from home, is a superb effort - hats off to them, they've come to play this time around and we haven't responded to the challenge. All credit to them, their fans should cherish this result.
I said earlier in the thread that we miss Kane's captaincy in games like this, and it has highlighted the lack of influence Stead has over the team. We are very much the Kane Williamson show, and if he's missing we go down a few notches in intensity and professionalism.
If we win the toss in the 2nd test and put them in on a green pitch we'll probably roll them cheaply and set up a big win. If we lose the toss that'll be a good test of whether we can respond to the challenge.
Good stuff Bangladesh, I doubt any of your fans will read this forum but you should be damn proud of that effort.
Easily the best moment in their cricketing history.
I remember back in the 80s when the fledgling Sri Lankan cricket test side were the easybeats of world cricket. Similarly, Bangladesh have a strong fan and player base, and it was inevitable that they would win an away test against a top tier nation sooner rather than later. Still a shame it had to be us, but a good kick up the arse isn't necessarily a bad thing. We did not become rubbish overnight, but lessons regarding preparation for every opponent should be seared into these guys from this loss
NZ vs SL Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Wellington, January 31 - February 04, 1991
Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, NZ vs SL, Sri Lanka tour of New Zealand 1990/91 at Basin Reserve, Wellington dated January 31 - February 04, 1991.
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[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch correctly. Seriously are team management so arrogant they do not even consult the ground consultants these days? Admittedly if our pace/carthorse bowlers actually bowled to their ability we would have been more competitive, although I agree with those that said our batting was more of a worry.
I can't see [scribe]many/if any [/scribe] changes for Christchurch although the riot act should be read to the team about their on field effort and behaviour
Team selection will be important for Christchurch and if there has to be a knee-jerk reaction change, then it should be Blundell/Cleaver. If you're not going to play your number one keeper on a greenish pitch to Bangladesh then its only going to get harder. Stead needs to talk to the groundsmen first before making any selection and if he doesn't take on the feedback then he should be the one getting the uppercut.
Lastly can we rig a fricken toss?!
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@godder said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Fucking great start to 2022 lol
The Bangles are a team that has enough quality to beat anyone of their day if the opposition is off their game, hence them racking up more and more wins in the shorter forms. But to do it over 5 days, away from home, is a superb effort - hats off to them, they've come to play this time around and we haven't responded to the challenge. All credit to them, their fans should cherish this result.
I said earlier in the thread that we miss Kane's captaincy in games like this, and it has highlighted the lack of influence Stead has over the team. We are very much the Kane Williamson show, and if he's missing we go down a few notches in intensity and professionalism.
If we win the toss in the 2nd test and put them in on a green pitch we'll probably roll them cheaply and set up a big win. If we lose the toss that'll be a good test of whether we can respond to the challenge.
Good stuff Bangladesh, I doubt any of your fans will read this forum but you should be damn proud of that effort.
Easily the best moment in their cricketing history.
I remember back in the 80s when the fledgling Sri Lankan cricket test side were the easybeats of world cricket. Similarly, Bangladesh have a strong fan and player base, and it was inevitable that they would win an away test against a top tier nation sooner rather than later. Still a shame it had to be us, but a good kick up the arse isn't necessarily a bad thing. We did not become rubbish overnight, but lessons regarding preparation for every opponent should be seared into these guys from this loss
NZ vs SL Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Wellington, January 31 - February 04, 1991
Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, NZ vs SL, Sri Lanka tour of New Zealand 1990/91 at Basin Reserve, Wellington dated January 31 - February 04, 1991.
This is what I was thinking of
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@nzzp said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
The south Africa game shouldn't be in the list, quality quality bowling that did the same to Australia a year or two later I think
Although it's obviously a stain on our record the 26 at Eden Park was probably more acceptable than the loss to the Bangles.
England were coming straight on from an Ashes series where they had triumphed 3-1 after losing the first Test at the Gabba. Their confidence was sky high.
By contrast NZ really only had two class batsmen Sutcliffe and Reid and none of the team had played a game of cricket in the six weeks prior to the first test.
The England side had a host of all time greats captained by Hutton and including May, Cowdrey, Graveney in the batting line up Godfrey Evans (wk) and a bowling attack led by Statham and the blistering pace of Tyson supported by the spin of Wardle and Appleyard and the all rounder Trevor Bailey.
Then it rained - on uncovered wickets. England were only just in front when Hutton said to his bowlers stick around. If we can get a lead of 40 we won't have to bat again on this wicket.
Compared to the capitulation over the last 5 days by the #2 side in the world the amateurs of 1955 did pretty good.
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An interesting read from Ian Anderson at Stuff:
Black Caps shock defeat to Bangladesh raises questions, but more proof needed
Quoting parts:
... Instead, Bangladesh scored what could easily be rated as the biggest upset victory in the history of test cricket, which therefore also qualified as one of New Zealand’s most ignominious test defeats.
It wasn’t being bowled out by England for 26, but such was New Zealand’s lowly test standing when that occurred in 1955 (they were yet to win a test), being hammered wasn't a massive shock, even if the skeleton-thin score set and remains a test record for futility with the bat.
Hence why it’s hard to find an analogous result or performance – New Zealand have had plenty of miserable displays in their test history, but almost all have come when expectations have been lower than a limbo bar. ...
... It was a poor test for stand-in skipper Tom Latham, but other team-mates got knocked over by a bowler whose test average was more than 80 prior to coming to NZ. A wicket that looked placid when the hosts bowled was made to look like a WW1 minefield when Ebadot and his partners in crime steamed in as Kyle Jamieson and Tim Southee proved ineffective. ....
... Latham denied that his troops under-rated their opponents, but the performance suggested otherwise. That won’t happen again come Sunday, nor against South Africa in two home tests next month.
By then, we’ll know more whether this test was just a blip in a phenomenal string of home performances from what remains our best test team in history, or the radar signalling something bigger.
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@bayimports said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch
Banglas deserved to win - but yeah, that was an absolute bloody shocker by us losing to a team that are ranked near the bottom of the test table in our own backyard... it was like our mob thought they had already won the match before it had started, that's about the dumbest mindset you can have going into a match, we played like it, batting was poor & we bowled both sides of the wicket.
Agree with you about Stead too, this isn't the first time he's really stuffed up concerning selections & preparation & strategy - crazy that Patel wasn't in the 11, the bloke took 10 wickets against India, & he is only the 3rd bloke in the history of the game to do than in an innings... also I would always have a specialist spinner in a team, gives the bowling attack a much better balance.
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@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch
Banglas deserved to win - but yeah, that was an absolute bloody shocker by us losing to a team that are ranked near the bottom of the test table in our own backyard... it was like our mob thought they had already won the match before it had started, that's about the dumbest mindset you can have going into a match, we played like it, batting was poor & we bowled both sides of the wicket.
Agree about Stead too, this isn't the first time he's really stuffed up concerning selections & preparation & strategy - crazy that Patel wasn't in the 11, the bloke took 10 wickets against India, & he is only the 3rd bloke in the history of the game to do than in an innings... also I would always have a specialist spinner in a team, gives the bowling attack a much better balance.
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@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch
Banglas deserved to win - but yeah, that was an absolute bloody shocker by us losing to a team that are ranked near the bottom of the test table in our own backyard... it was like our mob thought they had already won the match before it had started, that's about the dumbest mindset you can have going into a match, we played like it, batting was poor & we bowled both sides of the wicket.
Agree about Stead too, this isn't the first time he's really stuffed up concerning selections & preparation & strategy - crazy that Patel wasn't in the 11, the bloke took 10 wickets against India, & he is only the 3rd bloke in the history of the game to do than in an innings... also I would always have a specialist spinner in a team, gives the bowling attack a much better balance.
You enjoyed your post so much, it was worth quoting! You'll fit in well round these parts
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@hooroo said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch
Banglas deserved to win - but yeah, that was an absolute bloody shocker by us losing to a team that are ranked near the bottom of the test table in our own backyard... it was like our mob thought they had already won the match before it had started, that's about the dumbest mindset you can have going into a match, we played like it, batting was poor & we bowled both sides of the wicket.
Agree about Stead too, this isn't the first time he's really stuffed up concerning selections & preparation & strategy - crazy that Patel wasn't in the 11, the bloke took 10 wickets against India, & he is only the 3rd bloke in the history of the game to do than in an innings... also I would always have a specialist spinner in a team, gives the bowling attack a much better balance.
You enjoyed your post so much, it was worth quoting! You'll fit in well round these parts
hahaha, new on here, was looking where to edit part of it, instead doubled it up... anyway the coach & players need to wake up going into the 2nd test, if we're going to struggle against a team like the Banglas, we're not going to have much chance against South Africa in that upcoming test series.
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@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch
Banglas deserved to win - but yeah, that was an absolute bloody shocker by us losing to a team that are ranked near the bottom of the test table in our own backyard... it was like our mob thought they had already won the match before it had started, that's about the dumbest mindset you can have going into a match, we played like it, batting was poor & we bowled both sides of the wicket.
Agree with you about Stead too, this isn't the first time he's really stuffed up concerning selections & preparation & strategy - crazy that Patel wasn't in the 11, the bloke took 10 wickets against India, & he is only the 3rd bloke in the history of the game to do than in an innings... also I would always have a specialist spinner in a team, gives the bowling attack a much better balance.
That's only half a post/opinion
Who would you have dropped to fit Patel in?
Would it be the same player now in hindsight? E.g. for test 2.
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@rapido said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch
Banglas deserved to win - but yeah, that was an absolute bloody shocker by us losing to a team that are ranked near the bottom of the test table in our own backyard... it was like our mob thought they had already won the match before it had started, that's about the dumbest mindset you can have going into a match, we played like it, batting was poor & we bowled both sides of the wicket.
Agree with you about Stead too, this isn't the first time he's really stuffed up concerning selections & preparation & strategy - crazy that Patel wasn't in the 11, the bloke took 10 wickets against India, & he is only the 3rd bloke in the history of the game to do than in an innings... also I would always have a specialist spinner in a team, gives the bowling attack a much better balance.
That's only half a post/opinion
Who would you have dropped to fit Patel in?
Would it be the same player now in hindsight? E.g. for test 2.
Before the game I don't recall anyone on here who didn't think a 4 prong seam attack wasn't the right option. They just didn't show up. Apart from Wags 🥰
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@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@rapido said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch
Banglas deserved to win - but yeah, that was an absolute bloody shocker by us losing to a team that are ranked near the bottom of the test table in our own backyard... it was like our mob thought they had already won the match before it had started, that's about the dumbest mindset you can have going into a match, we played like it, batting was poor & we bowled both sides of the wicket.
Agree with you about Stead too, this isn't the first time he's really stuffed up concerning selections & preparation & strategy - crazy that Patel wasn't in the 11, the bloke took 10 wickets against India, & he is only the 3rd bloke in the history of the game to do than in an innings... also I would always have a specialist spinner in a team, gives the bowling attack a much better balance.
That's only half a post/opinion
Who would you have dropped to fit Patel in?
Would it be the same player now in hindsight? E.g. for test 2.
Before the game I don't recall anyone on here who didn't think a 4 prong seam attack wasn't the right option. They just didn't show up. Apart from Wags 🥰
It is Steads job, as would also be team senior leadership to talk to groundsmen about the pitch and how it is likely to play and then select..in my opinion that was either not done, or ignored. For me the fern is absolved from such a shit decision
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@rapido said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch
Banglas deserved to win - but yeah, that was an absolute bloody shocker by us losing to a team that are ranked near the bottom of the test table in our own backyard... it was like our mob thought they had already won the match before it had started, that's about the dumbest mindset you can have going into a match, we played like it, batting was poor & we bowled both sides of the wicket.
Agree with you about Stead too, this isn't the first time he's really stuffed up concerning selections & preparation & strategy - crazy that Patel wasn't in the 11, the bloke took 10 wickets against India, & he is only the 3rd bloke in the history of the game to do than in an innings... also I would always have a specialist spinner in a team, gives the bowling attack a much better balance.
That's only half a post/opinion
Who would you have dropped to fit Patel in?
Would it be the same player now in hindsight? E.g. for test 2.
I only posted that part to say how basically peeved off I was with that really pathetic effort by our mob.
Anyway, it was a no-brainer before the test 11 was selected that Patel should've played at 7 ahead of Ravindra, from what I've seen of him before he's only a bits & pieces player at the moment - it's the top 6 that have to do the job & set a good platform, with Patel at 7 we would've had a specialist spinner who bats a bit, he also would've added more balance to our attack with the 4 pace bowlers.
Hopefully Patel plays in the 2nd test.
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@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Anyway, it was a no-brainer before the test 11 was selected that Patel should've played at 7 ahead of Ravindra
How many wickets has Patel taken in NZ?
Oh - that's right ZIP, ZERO, NADA, NONE.
No brainer
I guess it must be his batting that would have you picking him - after all he averages 6 in NZ (& 10 overall)
Take the Indian outlier away and despite playing the majority of his career in spin friendly countries he has 29 wickets @32.48. Very respectable for a Kiwi spinner but hardly a performance that demands inclusion in home conditions.
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@canefan said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@rapido said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kiwibloke said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
[rant] Wow what a disaster, fair play to the Bangladeshi team for exploiting our arrogance/ineptitude or whatever it was that lead to a complete lack of adherence to the recent blackcap standards and Im talking about actions in the field. The form was well below par, but the behavioural aspect was one of the most disappointing aspects of that game.
Also this shows again that the selection management of the squad was again poor, not just the prep which was also below par. Stead is a joke. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I heard on TV commentary that Patel didn't even make this squad?, yet spin played a major part. The irony is Stead would have probably left Wagner out if he actually read the pitch
Banglas deserved to win - but yeah, that was an absolute bloody shocker by us losing to a team that are ranked near the bottom of the test table in our own backyard... it was like our mob thought they had already won the match before it had started, that's about the dumbest mindset you can have going into a match, we played like it, batting was poor & we bowled both sides of the wicket.
Agree with you about Stead too, this isn't the first time he's really stuffed up concerning selections & preparation & strategy - crazy that Patel wasn't in the 11, the bloke took 10 wickets against India, & he is only the 3rd bloke in the history of the game to do than in an innings... also I would always have a specialist spinner in a team, gives the bowling attack a much better balance.
That's only half a post/opinion
Who would you have dropped to fit Patel in?
Would it be the same player now in hindsight? E.g. for test 2.
Before the game I don't recall anyone on here who didn't think a 4 prong seam attack wasn't the right option. They just didn't show up. Apart from Wags 🥰
Yeah totally agree, its been a winning formula for quite a while now at home.
They didn't show up apart from Wags is spot on .
