Halberg Awards
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@voodoo said in Halberg Awards:
@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
Split second decision making is the difference between an OK jockey and a great jockey, and JMac makes the right call 98% of the time. Plus, put simply, horses run for some jockeys more than others.
Add to that, strength, discipline , vision, balance and courage.
If these things weren’t real and difficult, we would see wins shared pretty evenly amongst the jockeys every year.
We do not
Anyone who doesn't think elite jockeys are athletes have never seen them train
Their power to weight ratios would be incredible
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@mariner4life said in Halberg Awards:
@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
Will get the usual complaint from people who don't respect horse racing, but the fact James McDonald - who is officially rated as the best jockey in the world - cannot get the nod ahead of some of these sportsman of the year finalists is nothing short of farcical.
EDIT: fuk u @mariner4life for posting just before me.
it's fucking ridiculous! A fucking trampoliner??? That's a toy you buy your kids and they grow out of by the time they are 12
> Squash? A sport played exclusively by Wall St hedge fund managers and stock brokers in movies.
A V8 Bogan car driver? In a class raced only in Australia? Which non-sport watching dipshits voted on this crap?Although I'm sure your jockey point has serious merit, you must at least acknowledge the irony here ...
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@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Oh c'mon, in horse racing it's the horse that should be nominated, not the jockey!
@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
ISPS Handa Sportsman on the Year:
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Shane van Gisbergen (motorsport)ISPS Handa Team of the Year:
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@MajorRage said in Halberg Awards:
@mariner4life said in Halberg Awards:
@Smudge said in Halberg Awards:
Will get the usual complaint from people who don't respect horse racing, but the fact James McDonald - who is officially rated as the best jockey in the world - cannot get the nod ahead of some of these sportsman of the year finalists is nothing short of farcical.
EDIT: fuk u @mariner4life for posting just before me.
it's fucking ridiculous! A fucking trampoliner??? That's a toy you buy your kids and they grow out of by the time they are 12
> Squash? A sport played exclusively by Wall St hedge fund managers and stock brokers in movies.
A V8 Bogan car driver? In a class raced only in Australia? Which non-sport watching dipshits voted on this crap?Although I'm sure your jockey point has serious merit, you must at least acknowledge the irony here ...
I acknowledge nothing
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@Stargazer said in Halberg Awards:
Next time, I'll use an emoji, guys! Take a pick:
Edited to add that I'd support an award going to a jockey and his horse more than just going to the jockey alone. It's the horse who's doing the hardest work.
All very well but jockeys don't just ride one horse - they're often riding 5 or 6 on a day. Plus it's "sportsman" of the year.
Let's just be very clear here - racing is across all six inhabited continents. It is a global sport and based on McDonald's efforts (even in largely Australia) he has been rated as the world's best.
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How good can he be if he can't even get nominated for a Halberg?
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@Bovidae said in Halberg Awards:
If there is an Olympic or Commonwealth games those athletes will always dominate the nominations that year. I'd be very surprised if Gate and Andrews don't win.
Maybe Zoi over Andrew’s but both would be worthy.
ZSS was first ever Winter Olympics Gold for NZ. That must gain some votes.
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@Crucial said in Halberg Awards:
@Bovidae said in Halberg Awards:
If there is an Olympic or Commonwealth games those athletes will always dominate the nominations that year. I'd be very surprised if Gate and Andrews don't win.
Maybe Zoi over Andrew’s but both would be worthy.
ZSS was first ever Winter Olympics Gold for NZ. That must gain some votes.
Good point. An Olympic gold and silver would trump multiple CG golds. ZSS also won the Lonsdale Cup, which must make her favourite to win the overall Halberg award (depending on the emotional votes for the Black Ferns).
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@Crucial It's not even a proper sport nowadays, more a vehicle for betting.
Joking aside when I was growing up racing was huge and was followed by people who weren't necessarily gambling on the outcome. That doesn't seem to be the case nowadays.
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Joking aside, there are always the same arguments when awards go to the eventers as well.
Tim Price is number one eventer in the world with his wife Jonelle being number two.
Being ranked highly in many sports correlates with activity and having a well established stable certainly helps in that regard as horse injuries can derail a program of events for you. I am guessing that it is similar in racing as the better you are the more rides you are offered on better horses which helps with ranking.
All good “athletes” in their chosen sports but I don’t think it is a travesty for them not to be nominated in awards that are partly aimed at getting others interested in playing sport. -
The "your sport sucks but our one athlete beat a few others so yay" awards doesn't have much of a ring to it
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@dogmeat said in Halberg Awards:
@Crucial It's not even a proper sport nowadays, more a vehicle for betting.
Joking aside when I was growing up racing was huge and was followed by people who weren't necessarily gambling on the outcome. That doesn't seem to be the case nowadays.
Would horse racing exist without betting now? I'n not sure it would, but don't know enough about the sport to know for sure. What do others with a knowledge of the sport think? @Smudge?
Gamble responsibly.
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could someone point me to that glorious time when horse racing existed without betting? As someone who knows a bit about the history of the sport, especially in Australia, the two have been intrinsically tied since the 1800s.
i absolutely love how we are trying to exclude racing as being only for a certain sort of person, but fucking downhill skiing is the sport of the people. If there was a sport with enormous barriers to entry it is skiing
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@mariner4life said in Halberg Awards:
could someone point me to that glorious time when horse racing existed without betting? As someone who knows a bit about the history of the sport, especially in Australia, the two have been intrinsically tied since the 1800s.
i absolutely love how we are trying to exclude racing as being only for a certain sort of person, but fucking downhill skiing is the sport of the people. If there was a sport with enormous barriers to entry it is skiing
Reminds me of that book "Black Friends I made while Yachting".
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@mariner4life I think it goes back longer than that TBH. The Romans liked a little flutter on the chariot races, but it wasn't the sole driver
Most sports nowadays encourage betting so I don't see the issue. If you can be a sportsman riding a horse in something as cock-eyed as dressage then why not thundering towards Beechers Brook. F1 and America's Cup are largely technology races but we celebrate them.
You have gotta have skill, stamina and balls to compete as a jockey so you should be recognised. More of a sport than fucking ballet on ice or synchronised swimming.
To me it is a simple sport a contest with a clear winner. It's sports that allow for subjective votes on performance that are the dubious ones.
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@dogmeat said in Halberg Awards:
I think it goes back longer than that TBH. The Romans liked a little flutter on the chariot races, but it wasn't the sole driver
it does for sure, i was simply making a point.
agree with the rest.
In reality i shouldn't be shocked at the Halbergs, which seem to track along to their own agenda. Over-weighting Olympic achievement may be viable if we had an athletics gold, a single gymnastics discipline seems a bit stupid.
