Ashes 2021-22
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Being a bit of a pork chop of some variety is almost a pre requisite for being a world class all rounder no? Has there been one that wasn't? Almost by definition you have to be a natural athlete who just happens to be good at everything. (its weird Australia has not produced many post WWII)
Ben Stokes would have taken the CDG spot in the WTC Final side... so yes a slight upgrade.
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@rotated are you saying Stokes is a pork chop? I keep hearing similar but what has he actually done? Nobody has given examples apart from the media talking him up beyond his actual stats. Sure he clouted a couple guys a few years ago but the alleged circumstances around that hardly makes him a dick.
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@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated are you saying Stokes is a pork chop? I keep hearing similar but what has he actually done? Nobody has given examples apart from the media talking him up beyond his actual stats. Sure he clouted a couple guys a few years ago but the alleged circumstances around that hardly makes him a dick.
Its difficult to put your finger on why Hadlee was so unpalatable to the Aussies yet totally understandable. Ditto Botham, Khan, Watson, Cairnsy all the way back to Keith Miller.
I like Stokes and massively wish he played for NZ (even if that gave Canterbury another cap), but I can understand why his swagger (?) gets a rise out of others.
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@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated are you saying Stokes is a pork chop? I keep hearing similar but what has he actually done? Nobody has given examples apart from the media talking him up beyond his actual stats. Sure he clouted a couple guys a few years ago but the alleged circumstances around that hardly makes him a dick.
Its difficult to put your finger on why Hadlee was so unpalatable to the Aussies yet totally understandable. Ditto Botham, Khan, Watson, Cairnsy all the way back to Keith Miller.
Fair point. Not sure why I feel like sticking up for him, perhaps because he comes across ok to me. I have my pet hates like everybody - Steve Smith and his 'mini me' immediately spring to mind.
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@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@canefan said in Ashes 2021-22:
Funny how that aussie all rounder Green(?) came out to bat and got bowled by Ben from Chch second ball. The aussie comms could only squeeze in a couple of minutes of fapping about how good he is. Then they went on about Stokes being the English Talisman. Ha give me Neil from Pretoria anyday. We loves Wags ❤
Stokes would be very handy for NZ. Wish he was ours.
Pffffft….he wouldn’t make the Black Caps team. Fifth best All Rounder in the world, we already have the sixth ( Kyle Jamieson )
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@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
Its difficult to put your finger on why Hadlee was so unpalatable to the Aussies yet totally understandable.
I have no difficulty explaining that: He was bloody good. Had he been Australian he'd have been lionised.
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@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated are you saying Stokes is a pork chop? I keep hearing similar but what has he actually done? Nobody has given examples apart from the media talking him up beyond his actual stats. Sure he clouted a couple guys a few years ago but the alleged circumstances around that hardly makes him a dick.
Its difficult to put your finger on why Hadlee was so unpalatable to the Aussies yet totally understandable. Ditto Botham, Khan, Watson, Cairnsy all the way back to Keith Miller.
I like Stokes and massively wish he played for NZ (even if that gave Canterbury another cap), but I can understand why his swagger (?) gets a rise out of others.
The Aussies hated Hadlee because he was so good against them. Completely understandable.
So when you say Watson do you mean Shane ? also in what way did they hate Keith Miller who if I’m not mistaken actually played for them ?
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@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated are you saying Stokes is a pork chop? I keep hearing similar but what has he actually done? Nobody has given examples apart from the media talking him up beyond his actual stats. Sure he clouted a couple guys a few years ago but the alleged circumstances around that hardly makes him a dick.
Its difficult to put your finger on why Hadlee was so unpalatable to the Aussies yet totally understandable. Ditto Botham, Khan, Watson, Cairnsy all the way back to Keith Miller.
I like Stokes and massively wish he played for NZ (even if that gave Canterbury another cap), but I can understand why his swagger (?) gets a rise out of others.
The Aussies hated Hadlee because he was so good against them. Completely understandable.
So when you say Watson do you mean Shane ? also in what way did they hate Keith Miller who if I’m not mistaken actually played for them ?
Fair enough for the Aussie fans - but what about his own teammates?
Of course - Shane Watson, he probably has his photograph on the Wikipedia entry for pork chop and for Keith Miller I can only go off stories from my grandfather and scribes over the years but he hasn't been described as the Shane Warne of his era for no reason.
Not sure the hate for Stokes. I'd love a guy to win a test against Australia from nowhere and a CWC for NZ.
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@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated are you saying Stokes is a pork chop? I keep hearing similar but what has he actually done? Nobody has given examples apart from the media talking him up beyond his actual stats. Sure he clouted a couple guys a few years ago but the alleged circumstances around that hardly makes him a dick.
Its difficult to put your finger on why Hadlee was so unpalatable to the Aussies yet totally understandable. Ditto Botham, Khan, Watson, Cairnsy all the way back to Keith Miller.
I like Stokes and massively wish he played for NZ (even if that gave Canterbury another cap), but I can understand why his swagger (?) gets a rise out of others.
The Aussies hated Hadlee because he was so good against them. Completely understandable.
So when you say Watson do you mean Shane ? also in what way did they hate Keith Miller who if I’m not mistaken actually played for them ?
Fair enough for the Aussie fans - but what about his own teammates?
Of course - Shane Watson, he probably has his photograph on the Wikipedia entry for pork chop and for Keith Miller I can only go off stories from my grandfather and scribes over the years but he hasn't been described as the Shane Warne of his era for no reason.
Not sure the hate for Stokes. I'd love a guy to win a test against Australia from nowhere and a CWC for NZ.
Yeah Aussies are pretty ruthless cricket fans to be fair. Quite a few stories of how Bradmans teammates didn’t like him cos he’d go for a cup of tea in his room rather than a beer in the hotel with the team. Sounds like he wasn’t particularly well liked at all.
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@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated are you saying Stokes is a pork chop? I keep hearing similar but what has he actually done? Nobody has given examples apart from the media talking him up beyond his actual stats. Sure he clouted a couple guys a few years ago but the alleged circumstances around that hardly makes him a dick.
Its difficult to put your finger on why Hadlee was so unpalatable to the Aussies yet totally understandable. Ditto Botham, Khan, Watson, Cairnsy all the way back to Keith Miller.
I like Stokes and massively wish he played for NZ (even if that gave Canterbury another cap), but I can understand why his swagger (?) gets a rise out of others.
The Aussies hated Hadlee because he was so good against them. Completely understandable.
So when you say Watson do you mean Shane ? also in what way did they hate Keith Miller who if I’m not mistaken actually played for them ?
Fair enough for the Aussie fans - but what about his own teammates?
Of course - Shane Watson, he probably has his photograph on the Wikipedia entry for pork chop and for Keith Miller I can only go off stories from my grandfather and scribes over the years but he hasn't been described as the Shane Warne of his era for no reason.
Not sure the hate for Stokes. I'd love a guy to win a test against Australia from nowhere and a CWC for NZ.
Yeah Aussies are pretty ruthless cricket fans to be fair. Quite a few stories of how Bradmans teammates didn’t like him cos he’d go for a cup of tea in his room rather than a beer in the hotel with the team. Sounds like he wasn’t particularly well liked at all.
Keith Miller being one... he was blooded with Bradman as captain who set a team curfew saying everyone needed to be in at bed for 9pm the night before a game. A bit after 9pm Miller knocks on Bradman's door dressed in a tux telling him as a courtesy that while he was in bed at 9pm as requested he would now be heading out for the evening. Possibly apocryphal.
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@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated are you saying Stokes is a pork chop? I keep hearing similar but what has he actually done? Nobody has given examples apart from the media talking him up beyond his actual stats. Sure he clouted a couple guys a few years ago but the alleged circumstances around that hardly makes him a dick.
Its difficult to put your finger on why Hadlee was so unpalatable to the Aussies yet totally understandable. Ditto Botham, Khan, Watson, Cairnsy all the way back to Keith Miller.
Fair point. Not sure why I feel like sticking up for him, perhaps because he comes across ok to me. I have my pet hates like everybody - Steve Smith and his 'mini me' immediately spring to mind.
How come ? Sure Smith cheated and looks like a lesbian but I can’t help admire his incredible record, Labuschagne is following in his footsteps pretty effectively ( with the record….not the cheating )
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Interesting to see Lyon come on to bowl with a 3-6 field to the right hander and instantly Mark Waugh and Warnie weren't happy with that balance - "it's going to make him bowl too straight and he's at his best pitching outside off stump."
I wonder what they would have thought of Somerville bowling with a 2-7 field?
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@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated said in Ashes 2021-22:
@crazy-horse said in Ashes 2021-22:
@rotated are you saying Stokes is a pork chop? I keep hearing similar but what has he actually done? Nobody has given examples apart from the media talking him up beyond his actual stats. Sure he clouted a couple guys a few years ago but the alleged circumstances around that hardly makes him a dick.
Its difficult to put your finger on why Hadlee was so unpalatable to the Aussies yet totally understandable. Ditto Botham, Khan, Watson, Cairnsy all the way back to Keith Miller.
Fair point. Not sure why I feel like sticking up for him, perhaps because he comes across ok to me. I have my pet hates like everybody - Steve Smith and his 'mini me' immediately spring to mind.
How come ? Sure Smith cheated and looks like a lesbian but I can’t help admire his incredible record, Labuschagne is following in his footsteps pretty effectively ( with the record….not the cheating )
I actually didn't mind Smith until the cheating. It wasn't the cheating as such, more the aftermath. The tears, and I don't believe for one minute he and the bowlers didn't know. It stank of a cover up (which probably wasn't his idea) but he was one of the faces of it.
As for Labuschange, I cringe for him with his antics. Whereas Smith is Smith, Lasbuschagne seems like it's all an act to me. An embarrassing act that makes him look like a dick A blatant copy of Smith. Plus the face. It annoys me.
Agree, about their records.
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@kiwimurph said in Ashes 2021-22:
@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
Labuschagne is following in his footsteps pretty effectively ( with the record….not the cheating )
He's barely played outside Aus and has an average of 20 in UAE......
This is such an “Indian” thing to point out
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@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
@kiwimurph said in Ashes 2021-22:
@mn5 said in Ashes 2021-22:
Labuschagne is following in his footsteps pretty effectively ( with the record….not the cheating )
He's barely played outside Aus and has an average of 20 in UAE......
This is such an “Indian” thing to point out
FYB!
