NZ tour of India
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@bovidae said in NZ tour of India:
If you want balance in the bowling attack then Patel is the spinner who should miss out to Wags. Ravindra can provide the left-arm spin option.
That’s what I meant too. I wasn’t suggesting that Wags was left out. Rather that Patel gave his spot to Wags which strengthens the batting depth should we find ourselves batting last on a minefield again.
Wags should easily take the wickets that Patel did and I like the idea of batsmen having to adjust between overs from spin to barrage more than we could do in this last test. -
@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@bovidae said in NZ tour of India:
If you want balance in the bowling attack then Patel is the spinner who should miss out to Wags. Ravindra can provide the left-arm spin option.
That’s what I meant too. I wasn’t suggesting that Wags was left out. Rather that Patel gave his spot to Wags which strengthens the batting depth should we find ourselves batting last on a minefield again.
Wags should easily take the wickets that Patel did and I like the idea of batsmen having to adjust between overs from spin to barrage more than we could do in this last test.Hmmmm, by this thinking does Johns son get a look in though ? Got the runs on the board at test level…..but not a spinner…..
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@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@bovidae said in NZ tour of India:
If you want balance in the bowling attack then Patel is the spinner who should miss out to Wags. Ravindra can provide the left-arm spin option.
That’s what I meant too. I wasn’t suggesting that Wags was left out. Rather that Patel gave his spot to Wags which strengthens the batting depth should we find ourselves batting last on a minefield again.
Wags should easily take the wickets that Patel did and I like the idea of batsmen having to adjust between overs from spin to barrage more than we could do in this last test.The Indians are scared of the angry man. Good to keep them on edge, and his bowling is more nuanced these days than simply battering them
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Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers. -
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
A first class batting average of 38 is pretty promising with room for improvement…….but fuck me, a bowling average of 58 ?!?!?! I’m surprised the cricket stats nerd in me missed that until now.
Still only 22, and learning on seam friendly NZ wickets. He'll be a handy 'NZ spinning option' at the least. There was an article a few days ago (that annoyingly I can't find for now...) basically saying Ravindra's arrival is probably the end of Santner's test career. Similar test bowling outcomes, stronger batting...
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@canes4life said in NZ tour of India:
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
That's the best 18* that Ravindra may ever score...
If he has got mettle like that he may well make many more runs for NZ.
We wasn't named in part for Rahul Dravid for nothing.
Rachin is a product of my old school and was seen as a bit of a prodigy when he was dominating at that level a few years ago.
It's awesome to see him come through the levels and survive that barrage last night in his first test. The kid is probably more suited to the top order but he will relish any opportunity at this point. He could become a real gold nugget for us if his bowling can match his batting.
He was seen as more than just a bit of a prodigy.
In my time only Williamson and C Cairns have had more expectations of a youth cricketer to crack the big time.
In some ways it's a little surprising that it has taken him to age 22, and that it is his secondary skill the has got him in the the 11. Especially that he plays in our traditionally weakest position - opener. But he's had a pretty solid apprenticeship from 20 to 22 involving NZ 'A' cricket. So, not been a waste. Good that we are strong enough not to have to throw 19 year olds in the deep end anymore.
Anyway, good debut. Coming in at 7 and having to dead bat spinners on a low deck is not what he has had to build his provincial career on so far.
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nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
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@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
the edge through the slips, and Saha bursting through the hands (twice I think) around 50/5 were massive. We chase 150, we win that game.
To bat out 4 sessions thouhg, on an Indian pitch is a massive achievement.
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@nzzp said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
the edge through the slips, and Saha bursting through the hands (twice I think) around 50/5 were massive. We chase 150, we win that game.
To bat out THE LAST 4 sessions though, on an Indian pitch is a massive achievement.
That's the thing. The last 4 sessions!!!
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@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
Gave it up or they fought back? At no stage in our second innings was a win on the cards. Pitch had no runs in it (at least no quick runs).
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@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.Exactly this. The key to NZ survival was that the pitch had no demons, it was low and slow so survival was more about concentration and shot discipline than anything else (unless you got one that didn't bounce at all). Didn't make it to the end as I was nodding off on the couch old man style so was pleasantly surprised to see that they held out. Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
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@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
@canes4life said in NZ tour of India:
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
That's the best 18* that Ravindra may ever score...
If he has got mettle like that he may well make many more runs for NZ.
We wasn't named in part for Rahul Dravid for nothing.
Rachin is a product of my old school and was seen as a bit of a prodigy when he was dominating at that level a few years ago.
It's awesome to see him come through the levels and survive that barrage last night in his first test. The kid is probably more suited to the top order but he will relish any opportunity at this point. He could become a real gold nugget for us if his bowling can match his batting.
He was seen as more than just a bit of a prodigy.
In my time only Williamson and C Cairns have had more expectations of a youth cricketer to crack the big time.
In some ways it's a little surprising that it has taken him to age 22, and that it is his secondary skill the has got him in the the 11. Especially that he plays in our traditionally weakest position - opener. But he's had a pretty solid apprenticeship from 20 to 22 involving NZ 'A' cricket. So, not been a waste. Good that we are strong enough not to have to throw 19 year olds in the deep end anymore.
Anyway, good debut. Coming in at 7 and having to dead bat spinners on a low deck is not what he has had to build his provincial career on so far.
He could have come in and flashed the bat. But he ground it out in a massive pressure situation, and that deserves huge praise
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@kiwipie said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.Exactly this. The key to NZ survival was that the pitch had no demons, it was low and slow so survival was more about concentration and shot discipline than anything else (unless you got one that didn't bounce at all). Didn't make it to the end as I was nodding off on the couch old man style so was pleasantly surprised to see that they held out. Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
Nicholls is a weird one. I've never seen a player before miss straight ones by so much and get bowled or LBW. But, this is the tricky thing, it isn't really any indicator of his form. I've seen him get a century and then follow it up by missing a ball by almost the width of a football field ...
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@kiwipie said in NZ tour of India:
Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
Blundell hitting it down into the rough was super unlucky. That was a crazy bounce
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I like Nicholls, but with Young, Conway and Ravindra now behind him he's under pressure.
I think he'll get the home summer and if he can't produce will be replaced. I had the same feeling last year and he produced that big century against the West Indies I think. The selectors definitely have a pattern of preferring to play guys for a couple of games too many rather than dumping them too soon. I like it and I think it's been a part of our recent success.
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@cyclops said in NZ tour of India:
I like Nicholls, but with Young, Conway and Ravindra now behind him he's under pressure.
I think he'll get the home summer and if he can't produce will be replaced. I had the same feeling last year and he produced that big century against the West Indies I think. The selectors definitely have a pattern of preferring to play guys for a couple of games too many rather than dumping them too soon. I like it and I think it's been a part of our recent success.
Yeah Nicholls will plunder a massive score at home. That’s a given.
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@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
It was semi-predictable though given the undercooked middle order and having only really two and a half test quality bowlers. But like you my hopes were certainly up at 150/0 and then at 51/5.
All in all for the first match in an away series against a big 3 side I will take a draw all day, especially after losing the toss. Flush the dunny, move on and pick Wags for the second test.
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@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
It was semi-predictable though given the undercooked middle order and having only really two and a half test quality bowlers. But like you my hopes were certainly up at 150/0 and then at 51/5.
All in all for the first match in an away series against a big 3 side I will take a draw all day, especially after losing the toss. Flush the dunny, move on and pick Wags for the second test.
Am I being ridiculous in being quietly confident for the next test? We now have had a decent warm-up in the conditions and we are going to a wicket that won't be as harsh for us?
Wagner bowling 50+ overs and at least one of Taylor or Nichols being due for some runs.We might get to enforce a follow-on if we win the toss
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