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Have been reading a few whiney Aussie articles about the SANZAAR decision to pull the Sunwolves, in which they - again - ask for ditching Super Rugby (read: South Africa) and play a Trans- Ta$man competition that would include one or two Japanese teams and maybe a few PI teams.
They apparently don't realise that Aussie teams will have to improve a lot first for this idea to be remotely interesting? And who really is keen to watch these Japanese teams play (and would they include Japanese players)?
Not sure anyone would like me to post a link to an article on the Roar website ...
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@Stargazer The other issue is they always want New Zealand players playing for Australian sides to make them competitive.
The vituperation I've had directed at me by Wallabies fans over the years leads me to believe Australian rugby has an awful lot of arseholes oblivious to the amount of support New Zealand has supplied to keep the game alive in Australia.
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@antipodean and there is Fern's word of the day
Would test rugby mean more if nations went back to only playing their domestic rugby inside their own borders?
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby News:
@antipodean and there is Fern's word of the day
Would test rugby mean more if nations went back to only playing their domestic rugby inside their own borders?
Too late now mate, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle
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@canefan said in Super Rugby News:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby News:
@antipodean and there is Fern's word of the day
Would test rugby mean more if nations went back to only playing their domestic rugby inside their own borders?
Too late now mate, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle
well, you know, maybe not. Super rugby keeps shrinking. The Aussies and the saffers aren't exactly enamored with it. Maybe we can fuck it off an play a year-round home-and-away NPC? Sell the media rights independently? The NRL's TV deal is worth 40% more than the NZRU's total income for a year.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby News:
@canefan said in Super Rugby News:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby News:
@antipodean and there is Fern's word of the day
Would test rugby mean more if nations went back to only playing their domestic rugby inside their own borders?
Too late now mate, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle
well, you know, maybe not. Super rugby keeps shrinking. The Aussies and the saffers aren't exactly enamored with it. Maybe we can fuck it off an play a year-round home-and-away NPC? Sell the media rights independently? The NRL's TV deal is worth 40% more than the NZRU's total income for a year.
From what I gather, the majority of the SANZAAR broadcasting deal is tied up in TRN. Whoever the winning bidder is they will want content to replace Super rugby. I suppose the partners could negotiate to have 3 individual domestic comps (the jaguares join Oz) then a sort of champions league thing at the end of the season? I guess it's almost what we have with the conferences now.....
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@canefan fuck em, burn the joint down, build our own house. Sell the NPC, and schedule tests, sell the media rights to that too. The RC is boring as well. And the time zones and travel are shit.
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@mariner4life npc with abs back would add to its value...guess it depends how much cash we can get from this world league if we can ditch souper
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LOL you guys are dreaming, there is no way in the world that an NPC would prepare our guys for international rugby. SR is a big part of the reason the ABs do so well, playing year in, year out against different styles and players - and all around the world making home advantage mean fuck all to the ABs. Go back to something like the (closest equivalent, with no international league attached) Japanese League will put us firmly on a trip to their level. The massive enthusiasm and support of NZR for SR is due to that, and it's not going to change. Also there'd be fuck all money in it.
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Posted by Yealden:
In light of the likely culling of the Sunwolves tomorrow & all the chat around how much travel teams do (especially the RSA teams ... supposedly) I was keen to find out how far the Sunwolves traveled last year in comparison with fellow expansion buddies the Jaguares & three franchises (chosen at random) from the three foundation Super Rugby member unions - NZ, OZ & RSA. Now I have to stress that these are rough figures, calculated using distances from airline route maps & what i know of the teams traditional routes & modes of transport. Anyways, this is what I found about the 2018 season:
🇯🇵 Sunwolves = 85,522 kms NB homes games in three different venues; played their last game in Tokyo in round 13 (Sat 12 May 2018) followed by games in Hong Kong, Melbourne, Canberra (Break for International Window) Singapore, Sydney, Brisbane
🇦🇷 Jaguares = 66,240 kms - longest time away from BA was four weeks (Melbourne, Canberra, Auckland & Rotorua)
🇦🇺 Rebels = 56,716 kms - longest time from Melbourne was two weeks twice ** (Pretoria, Cape Town & Brisbane, Dunedin)
** I believe the Rebels went straight to Dunedin from Brisbane but stand to be corrected on that
🇳🇿 Blues = 56,707 kms - longest time away from Auckland was two weeks (Johannesburg & Cape Town)
🇿🇦 Lions = 51,952 kms - longest time away from Johannesburg was four weeks (Sydney, Brisbane, Wellington, Dunedin)
Make of these what you will - for what its worth, I feel better for doing it - and feel free to fire a question about this if you want; I'll be up for a little bit longer - cheers heaps NY 🇳🇿🏉
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Confirmation. Sunwolves gone after 2020 season.
14 teams from 2021. No more conferences. Round Robin.
The 14-team round robin format will see the removal of the current three conference system and will see each team play every other team home or away each season. This means 13 matches for each team, with two byes, in the regular season with the number of home and away matches varying from six to seven based on a two-year alternate match schedule. This will then lead into a new three-week, best versus best, super-charged, top six finals series. The top two ranked teams on the competition ladder will receive a bye in week one before hosting semi-final matches against the winners from a knockout round between teams ranked three to six. -
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby News:
This will then lead into a new three-week, best versus best, super-charged, top six finals series.
haha who writes this shit!
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@taniwharugby they probably consulted Michael Redman Blues CEO - expert at spinning shit.
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@KiwiMurph So the finals are back to how they used to be before the Super 18. And no more conferences. Good.
The only thing I don't like is that teams don't have the same number of home and away matches (yes, I know they're alternating the next year), but that's what you get with an even number of teams.
Glad the Jaguares are still there. Don't care about the Sunwolves.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:
Glad the Jaguares are still there. Don't care about the Sunwolves.
You do if you're trying to get money. Remember - the biggest one country audience for rugby is in Japan. They have all the money, and we want some of it
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@nzzp Yeah, but money brought them to introducing the Super 18 format, which was a disaster. Money is one thing, good and attractive rugby that we want to watch in a fair and simple competition format is something else. That format is now fixed.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:
@KiwiMurph So the finals are back to how they used to be before the Super 18. And no more conferences. Good.
The only thing I don't like is that teams don't have the same number of home and away matches (yes, I know they're alternating the next year), but that's what you get with an even number of teams.
Glad the Jaguares are still there. Don't care about the Sunwolves.
Did the old super 14 have top six playoffs or just a top 4? My memory is that top six came in with super 15 but not certain about that.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:
@Cyclops Yeah, not sure either. That's why I said "before Super 18", because I don't remember when that started.
Okay, looked it up and the old super 14 had 4 final spots, so this tournament will be a week longer than the old super 14
Super Rugby Future Is 14 Teams
