NZ v Australia Test #1

hydro11

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Who are? given Taylor and Santner are out.
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Who are? given Taylor and Santner are out.
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Dean Brownlie is injured I think but he is definitely better than Anderson. Not sure how long he is out for. I think Will Young is definitely a better player although he is still a bit green. There are a couple more with better FC batting records than Anderson but without seeing them play much it is hard to judge. One of them is even called Ben Smith (although he happens to be an opener).
 
I think Anderson definitely warrants selection if you feel you need a 5th bowling option. I would probably still pick him.

hydro11

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That's the time you put them somewhere where you can't hear them and bank on the fact their immobility will mean they stay in the same place for at least a minute or two which should be all you need.
 
I'm banking on the Caps to come back far stronger as is often the case with them, whether it's enough to even threaten a win is another story but they will show more guts and the aforementioned top order will do better.
 
I'm not sure if the Neesh is quite at Oram levels of brokenness is he ? As a like for like replacement of Anderson he is very appealing.
 
I'm also curious as to the reasons why people think he's not a test six. two tons in a brief career would indicate otherwise.
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Neesham has a good record over his 9 tests. At the very least he deserves the opportunity to prove himself as a number 6.

MN5

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Neesham has a good record over his 9 tests. At the very least he deserves the opportunity to prove himself as a number 6.
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First class average in the mid 30s and young enough to get that considerably better. I know cricket is one of those games where sometimes guys get tons ( I mean a Windies out and out paceman got one against the BCs and has got fuck all since ) but two in nine tests is a wonderful return so far.
 
It's a funny old rule of thumb the batting order in a cricket team. Number 6 is generally someone who bowls more than a bit ( although Alan Border batted there when he was easily the best bat in his team, ditto Viv Richards ), 7 is the keeper and 8 is the bowler who is the best batsman ( supposedly ). Things can and do chop and change though and as they develop they move up the order ( Cairns, Oram and Vettori being modern examples ) but the BCs have floated the idea of Watling as a genuine 6 with Neesh at 7 and the bowlers. I think this might be an option. I think in the modern game especially guys have to be prepared to do a shitload of bowling at times then if the team finds themselves 40-4 they have to come in and bat earlier than they wanted to where as an opening batsman might have done nothing but stand in the outfield all day then could have gone for a golden. It's just the way it is and your playing role in the team suits your abilities and talents much like the variety of positions in any team sport.

taniwharugby

I see Veitch and some of his cronies are still stirring the pot about the no-ball.
 
Shame there is actually a small amount of good stuff that pops up on his page, as I'd un-follow it with the so often angst-ridden-moronic posts that make MN5 look like a dead set genius!

MN5

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I see Veitch and some of his cronies are still stirring the pot about the no-ball.
 
Shame there is actually a small amount of good stuff that pops up on his page, as I'd un-follow it with the so often angst-ridden-moronic posts that make MN5 look like a dead set genius!
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Me a genius ???? that's unpossible

Bovidae

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Dean Brownlie is injured I think but he is definitely better than Anderson. Not sure how long he is out for.
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Brownlie is back playing now but hasn't scored too many runs opening for ND since his return.

hydro11

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Brownlie is back playing now but hasn't scored too many runs opening for ND since his return. 
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Thanks. Yeah I thought he was injured because I looked at the Canterbury game and saw he wasn't playing. Of, course he has moved to ND. It's a little strange that Nicholls leap frogged Brownlie given that Brownlie has a far superior FC record and a lot of years left in him

MN5

Don't let the fact that Brownlie is a "specialist" batsman ( ie not a bowling option ) fool you into thinking he's automatically a better bet than Anderson.

tubbyj

What about Colin Munro?
 
He has the best 1st class average of them all. Bowls a bit as well doesn't he?
 
Bat him at 6 and him and Nichols can scrap it out to take McCullums place.

hydro11

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Don't let the fact that Brownlie is a "specialist" batsman ( ie not a bowling option ) fool you into thinking he's automatically a better bet than Anderson.
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Corey Anderson domestic FC cricket has 1381 runs, 1x100, 6x50 at an average of 34.53.
 
Dean Brownlie's domestic FC record is 3361 runs, 8x100, 18x50 at an average of 47.34. Not to mention that a few of those innings have been opening the batting. I am sure that only Williamson has a better domestic FC record than that. Williamson averages 57 for Northern Districts.
 
Brownlie's test average of 29.62 is worse than Anderson's. However, Brownlie has 2 50's against the Aussies (one of them was in the Hobart test which we would not have won without him. He also has a 50 and a hundred against South Africa in South Africa. The hundred came in the Cape town test where we were bundled out in a session in the first innings. The bowling attack was Steyn, Philander, Morkel and Kallis. His only other 50 was against Zimbabwe over there.
 
Anderson averages 30.05 which is a little more than Brownlie. However, his only hundred came vs Bangladesh (over there mind you). He also has fifties against India at Eden Park, England at Lords and Pakistan at Sharjah.

hydro11

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What about Colin Munro?
 
He has the best 1st class average of them all. Bowls a bit as well doesn't he?
 
Bat him at 6 and him and Nichols can scrap it out to take McCullums place.
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You are right actually. Munro has what must be the 2nd best domestic FC record of anyone in the country. The problem with Munro is that his FC strike rate is 93. He strikes me as a player with one gear who pigs out on bad bowling. I reckon he would get exposed by the best bowlers in the world but the stats themselves do make a compelling case.

Bovidae

One of the reasons Brownlie moved to ND was that he wanted to reinvent himself as an opener. He felt that was his best way to play international cricket again. For some reason Hesson doesn't see Brownlie as an option in the middle order - I don't know why.
 
I see Hesson didn't think the Basin was green enough in that the ball didn't seam around after the first session so winning the toss became so much more important. If the groundsman follows instructions Hagley Oval could be a real green top. Not that BMac will win the toss anyway!

SammyC

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I see Hesson didn't think the Basin was green enough in that the ball didn't seam around after the first session so winning the toss became so much more important. If the groundsman follows instructions Hagley Oval could be a real green top. Not that BMac will win the toss anyway!
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Fucking ridiculous.

MN5

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Corey Anderson domestic FC cricket has 1381 runs, 1x100, 6x50 at an average of 34.53.
 
Dean Brownlie's domestic FC record is 3361 runs, 8x100, 18x50 at an average of 47.34. Not to mention that a few of those innings have been opening the batting. I am sure that only Williamson has a better domestic FC record than that. Williamson averages 57 for Northern Districts.
 
Brownlie's test average of 29.62 is worse than Anderson's. However, Brownlie has 2 50's against the Aussies (one of them was in the Hobart test which we would not have won without him. He also has a 50 and a hundred against South Africa in South Africa. The hundred came in the Cape town test where we were bundled out in a session in the first innings. The bowling attack was Steyn, Philander, Morkel and Kallis. His only other 50 was against Zimbabwe over there.
 
Anderson averages 30.05 which is a little more than Brownlie. However, his only hundred came vs Bangladesh (over there mind you). He also has fifties against India at Eden Park, England at Lords and Pakistan at Sharjah.
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FIrst class records mean nothing ( well not nothing, but next to nothing ). What you're saying is there's not a great deal between them as batsmen, however Anderson has the bowling strong to his bow which Brownlie doesn't.

hydro11

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FIrst class records mean nothing ( well not nothing, but next to nothing ). What you're saying is there's not a great deal between them as batsmen, however Anderson has the bowling strong to his bow which Brownlie doesn't.
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Sure I would pick Anderson because he bowls. If I wasn't going to pick a spinner and was picking 4 quicks then I wouldn't pick Anderson because I don't see the advantage of a 5th quick. I would have picked Brownlie to bat 5 over Nicholls. I also would have picked Brownlie to open ahead of Guptill. I think Brownlie is significantly better with the bat than Anderson. However, given Hesson thinks Nicholls is better than Brownlie to bat 5 I can see why they wouldn't go for Brownlie at 6.
 
Also how do you pick a team without looking at their domestic records?

ACT Crusader

I think FC records mean a great deal when you are playing tests on home soil. Batting well in the conditions is a pretty important factor when selecting a side I would think.

Siam

Boom there it is. 
First loss at home in just under 4 years,4 years,and people are suggesting changing things willy nilly. A stand out feature of our shit years, so yeah lets just bring any old Brownlie or Munro in and discard the players that have given us success. 
That'll work

SammyC

I don't think Anderson and Bracewell have been major players in that success. 
 
Their selections deserve to be questioned.
 
And although Craig has won a couple of tests for us in the 4th innings... he's generally been shit

MN5

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Sure I would pick Anderson because he bowls. If I wasn't going to pick a spinner and was picking 4 quicks then I wouldn't pick Anderson because I don't see the advantage of a 5th quick. I would have picked Brownlie to bat 5 over Nicholls. I also would have picked Brownlie to open ahead of Guptill. I think Brownlie is significantly better with the bat than Anderson. However, given Hesson thinks Nicholls is better than Brownlie to bat 5 I can see why they wouldn't go for Brownlie at 6.
 
Also how do you pick a team without looking at their domestic records?
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Well in some cases in NZ guys are picked having played next to no first class cricket, Dan Vettori anyone ?
 
of course you pick guys based on it but it shouldn't be the be and end all, plenty of guys have outstanding first class records that have never stepped up a level for whatever reason.

Virgil

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Anderson is definitely a better batsman than Craig. Craig has relied on not outs for his average. Anderson can bat at number 6, he just has to contribute with the ball. He is not one of the 6 best batsmen in New Zealand.
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To be fair often hes left not out because the muppets at the other end throw it away (as the case in Wellington)
At this stage he seems a better and certainly a more effective batsman than as a spin bowler. Is there a case for him to do a Richardson ?? Not saying he will become a 45 averaging Test opener but you cant fault his application with the bat.
Big case to push him up the order.

The Silver Fern

NZ v Australia Test #1