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What about dalton papali'i? Rated very highly<br><br><br>
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">1. Joe Apikatoa (Hurricanes/Wellington)<br>
2. Leni Apisai - (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">3. Alex Fidow - (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">4. Isaia Walker-Leawere (Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"><span>5. Sam Ulufonua - (Auckland)</span><br><span>6. Mitchell Jacobson - (Waikato)</span></p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">7. Charlie Gamble - (Canterbury)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">8. Hugh Renton (Hurricanes/Hawkes Bay)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">9. Sam Nock (Blues/Northland)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">10. TJ Va'a - (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"><span>11. Jonah Lowe (Hawkes Bay)</span></p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">12. Thomas Umaga Jensen (Hurricanes/Highlanders/Otago)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">13. Peter Umaga Jensen (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">14. Malo Tuitama (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">15. Shaun Stevenson (Chiefs/Waikato)</p> -
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Likely Starting XV:</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">1. Joe Apikatoa (Hurricanes/Wellington)<br>
2. Leni Apisai - (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">3. Alex Fidow - (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">4. Isaia Walker-Leawere (Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">5. Sam Ulufonua - (Auckland)<br>
6. Mitchell Jacobson - (Waikato)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">7. Charlie Gamble - (Canterbury)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">8. Hugh Renton (Hurricanes/Hawkes Bay)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">9. Sam Nock (Blues/Northland)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">10. TJ Va'a - (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">11. Jonah Lowe (Hawkes Bay)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">12. Thomas Umaga Jensen (Hurricanes/Highlanders/Otago)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">13. Peter Umaga Jensen (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">14. Malo Tuitama (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">15. Shaun Stevenson (Chiefs/Waikato)</p>
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<p>I suspect if you're going to pick a wing from HB you'd take Emerson over Lowe, he seems to be higher ranked as a wing (Lowe seen as a midfielder). </p> -
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<p>Interesting to read that Bay players have that clause in their contract. I think it makes perfectly sense for WTG and other fringe Super Rugby players from outside the Auckland, Waikato, Wellington, Canterbury and Otago regions to play their club rugby in their home/NPC province. Probably Guildford could be required to play for a local Chch club in 2014, because he had signed a contract with Clermont and was using an out clause in his HBRU contract, but I'm just guessing.</p>
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<p>Unless <span style="color:#333333;"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://files.allblacks.com/comms/2016_ISR/2016_ISR_Squad_Naming_Hurricanes-F01.pdf'>this document</a></span></span></span> is wrong, Ben May has a full contract with the Hurricanes. It's strange he's not on the Canes website though. A quick look at the Canes and Lions Facebook feed, tells me he played for the Canes at least twice last year (from the bench); made his Lions debut v Taranaki, started for them at least once and was named on the bench at least twice.</p>
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<p>Not sure how up to date/accurate the link you include above is but it completely excludes Waikato prop Loni Uhilia who I know is part of the set up. Looking at the link it look like there might be a bit of a struggle come time to pick locks for the match day 23s considering two of the four on full contracts simply never play.</p> -
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<p>If you had to put money on it, name the guys that will play for the AB's.</p>
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<p>Peter and Thomas Umaga Jensen, Alex Fidow and Leni Apisai sure to be All Blacks in the future.</p> -
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<p>If you had to put money on it, name the guys that will play for the AB's.</p>
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<p>TBH, you can't always pick them - Robbie Robinson was fluffed on here as the big star of the future and he didn't kick on.</p> -
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<p>I've seen plenty of Johnstone as he was the captain of Ham BHS. He's a very mobile prop and a decent scrummager.</p>
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<p>A couple of other names you didn't mention. </p>
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<p>Jahrome Brown - he was also one of the stars of the champion HBHS 1st XV. Brown reminded me of a young Jerry Collins when I watched him play, an abrasive ball-runner and hard tackling 6/8.</p>
<p>Luke Jacobson - Mitchell's younger brother and considered by many to be the best of the 3 Jacobson brothers. They all play for Hautapu and formed their entire loose forward trio in a few games last year.</p>
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<p>Yea, I'm sure there are a few I haven't mentioned. I largely mention the players I know a bit about, so I don't really know too much about the younger Jacoson or Brown. Thanks for the info, though. So Jacobson should still be eligible for next year's team, too?</p> -
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<p>TBH, you can't always pick them - Robbie Robinson was fluffed on here as the big star of the future and he didn't kick on.</p>
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<p>Yep, and a lot of those predictions were even after he played in the U20s.</p> -
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Likely Starting XV:</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">1. Joe Apikatoa (Hurricanes/Wellington)<br>
2. Leni Apisai - (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">3. Alex Fidow - (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">4. Isaia Walker-Leawere (Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">5. Sam Ulufonua - (Auckland)<br>
6. Mitchell Jacobson - (Waikato)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">7. Charlie Gamble - (Canterbury)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">8. Hugh Renton (Hurricanes/Hawkes Bay)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">9. Sam Nock (Blues/Northland)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">10. TJ Va'a - (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">11. Jonah Lowe (Hawkes Bay)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">12. Thomas Umaga Jensen (Hurricanes/Highlanders/Otago)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">13. Peter Umaga Jensen (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">14. Malo Tuitama (Hurricanes/Wellington)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">15. Shaun Stevenson (Chiefs/Waikato)</p>
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<p>I like that team, but I think that Moala-Liava'a should be starting in the loose forwards. I'm not sure who he would replace, though. I'm thinking possibly Jacobson.</p>
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<p>Additionally, I think Sio Tomkinson (who is in the Highlanders WTG) is likely to start ahead of Thomas Umaga-Jensen. Though Umaga-Jensen could move to one wing. Also you forget Jordan Trainor, who could play on the other wing.</p>
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<p>Does Apikotoa actually play loosehead, does anyone know? I think I've just seen him play tighthead. If he can play loosehead, Wellington are going to have one great front row in a few years time.</p> -
No real speedster in that team though is there ? <br><br><br>
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<p>Yea, I'm sure there are a few I haven't mentioned. I largely mention the players I know a bit about, so I don't really know too much about the younger Jacoson or Brown. Thanks for the info, though. So Jacobson should still be eligible for next year's team, too?</p>
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<p>A quick check shows Mitchell turned 20 last month so I assume Luke is 18 or 19. The interesting thing about them is all three brothers have made at least the NZ Schools team from Cambridge HS, which is not one of the traditional rugby schools in the Waikato. I think this is a good thing.</p> -
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<p>Peter and Thomas Umaga Jensen, <strong>Alex Fidow</strong> and Leni Apisai sure to be All Blacks in the future.</p>
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<p>I've only seen Fidow play a couple of times Premier 1 Schools rugby and remain to be convinced as to his propping ability. </p> -
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<p>Agreed, Finn Hoeata was impressive for the NZ Barbarians (from the first half anyway - I never got around to watching the rest). I guess he would also add a bit of height to the backrow, as well as potentially being able to fill in at lock.</p>
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<p>Given some of the other powerful ball carriers in the team, I'm not sure the lack of punch in the backrow will be a problem. I'm sure the likes of Fidow, Apisai, Apikotoa and Ulufonua should be able to get the ball going forward. The Umaga-Jensen twins will also be capable of gaining some decent ground further out. However, another option could be Mikaele-Tu'u.</p>
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<p>The problem that Taumateine might face is that we aren't short of halfback options. Besides Nock and Howley, Levien played last year and may return, and I've heard good things about Milo-Harris. However, he could be there ahead of Enari as a first-five/halfback cover. I don't know too much about the other first-five options, but they should be alright if they are there ahead of Faiane and McKay.</p>
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<p>Finn would be a lock first before a backrower. I'm not sure how big he is now, but he was almost 2m back in school and quite lanky. Last time I saw him was on Grassroots Rugby, but I could barely make him out because it was raining and everyone was covered in mud.</p>
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<p>You're probably right about powerful ball carriers in other positions. This team should have more dynamism in the tight 5 than previous U20 teams.</p>
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<p>Halfback definitely has competition. Didn't they only take 2 halfbacks last year? So if they take 2 again, someone decent misses out.</p> -
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<p>Finn would be a lock first before a backrower. I'm not sure how big he is now, but he was almost 2m back in school and quite lanky. Last time I saw him was on Grassroots Rugby, but I could barely make him out because it was raining and everyone was covered in mud.</p>
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<p>You're probably right about powerful ball carriers in other positions. This team should have more dynamism in the tight 5 than previous U20 teams.</p>
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<p>Halfback definitely has competition. Didn't they only take 2 halfbacks last year? So if they take 2 again, someone decent misses out.</p>
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<p>I was going off his game for the NZ Barbarians schools team in which he played blindside. Either way, he'd be handy to have in the team due to his versatility. I'm pretty sure only 28 or so players (or maybe even 26?) are allowed in the squad.</p>
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<p>And yea, only two halfbacks last year. That is where guys like Taumateine and Enari may come in, with their ability to cover first-five, too. With Nock, Howley, Levien and Milo-Harris (who I've heard good things about), even if Taumateine were only considered for first-five (even if they aren't best there), there is still so much competiton.</p> -
<p>NZU20s trial camp this weekend</p>
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<p>Selected players:</p>
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<p><strong>Forwards </strong><br>
Jonah Aoina - Otago<br>
Ayden Johnstone - Waikato<br>
Mason Kean - Hawke’s Bay<br>
Shaun Stoddart - Otago<br>
Sean Paranihi - Canterbury<br>
Joe Apikotoa - Wellington<br>
Alex Fidow - Wellington<br>
Sosefo Kautai - Waikato<br>
Sekope Lopeti - Waikato<br>
Asafo Aumua - Wellington<br>
Max Fryatt - Hawke's Bay<br>
Romero Tagi - Auckland<br>
Hamish Dalzell - Canterbury<br>
Quinten Strange - Ta$man<br>
Manaaki Selby-Rickit - Manawatu<br>
Sam Caird - Waikato<br>
Isaia Walker-Leawere - Wellington<br>
Paripari Parkinson - Ta$man<br>
Lui Luamanu - Wellington<br>
Finn Hoeata - Taranaki<br>
Charlie Gamble - Canterbury<br>
Mitchell Jacobson - Waikato<br>
Luke Jacobson - Waikato<br>
Dalton Papali’i - Auckland<br>
Nathan Tweedy - Manawatu<br>
Hapakuki Moala-Liava'a - North Harbour<br>
Marino Mikaele Tu'u - Hawke’s Bay<br>
Martin Brink - North Harbour<br><br><strong>Backs</strong><br>
Liam Howley - Southland<br>
Logan Crowley - Canterbury<br>
Jonathan Taumateine - Counties Manukau<br>
Brett Cameron - Canterbury<br>
Matthew Lansdown - Waikato<br>
TJ Va’a - Wellington<br>
Stephen Perofeta - Taranaki<br>
Orbyn Leger - Counties- Manukau<br>
Alex Nankivell - Ta$man<br>
Jordie Barrett - Canterbury<br>
Lester Maulolo - Wellington<br>
Amanaki Savieti - Waikato <br>
Pepe Patafilo - Wellington<br>
Gene Te Amo - Counties Manukau<br>
Jonah Lowe - Hawke’s Bay <br>
Shelford Murray - Waikato<br>
Mason Emerson - Hawke’s Bay<br>
Jordan Trainor - Waikato<br>
Caleb Makene - Canterbury<br>
Peter Umaga-Jensen - Wellington<br>
Josh McKay - Canterbury<br><br><strong>Not considered due to Investec Super Rugby commitments:</strong><br>
Leni Apisai, Wellington<br>
Sio Tomkinson, Otago<br>
Shaun Stevenson, Waikato<br>
Sam Nock, Northland<br><br><strong>Players not considered due to injury: </strong><br>
Hayden Spencer, Waikato<br>
Hugh Renton, Hawke’s Bay<br>
Ere Enari, Canterbury<br>
Sam Ulufonua, Auckland<br>
Harrison Levien, Waikato<br>
Lisati Milo-Harris, Auckland<br>
Malo Tuitama, Wellington<br>
Jahrome Brown, Waikato</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.allblacks.com/News/28883/new-zealand-under-20-hopefuls-in-trial-camp'>http://www.allblacks.com/News/28883/new-zealand-under-20-hopefuls-in-trial-camp</a></p> -
<p>For fun, here's a provincial breakdown:</p>
<p>Waikato 10 (4 not available)</p>
<p>Wellington 9 (2 not available)</p>
<p>Canterbury 8 (1 not available)</p>
<p>Hawke's Bay 4 (1 not available)</p>
<p>Counties 3</p>
<p> Ta$man 3</p>
<p>Auckland 2 (2 not available)</p>
<p>Otago 2 (1 not available)</p>
<p>Manawatu 2</p>
<p>North Harbour 2</p>
<p>Taranaki 2</p>
<p>Southland 1</p>
<p>Northland 0 (1 not available)</p>
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<p>What happened to Thomas Umaga-Jensen?</p>
