Wallabies vs Springboks I
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@landp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
For all the hyping of Tate McDermott, he has a slow pass with limited range. And his running game doesn't bring others into play ... perhaps says more about aussie team than him.
If I was Wallaby halfback and in 3 games there were 5 or 6 intercepts I'd be limiting my passes as well..
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Dave Rennie will be grey by the RWC for sure.
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@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Sunday night, 10pm NZT.
Not happening ... would love to, but need to sleep for Monday. Sad face.
Bro, live a little, have a late one. It’s only Monday.
Looking forward to the test match. For whatever reason the Springboks don’t have a great travelling record to Oz and NZ no matter how good the Boks are going.
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@derpus said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
SA turned it around by accessing the giant pool of talent they had left untouched in Europe.
I don't think it's sustainable long term for the Boks. Their domestic rugby is suffering as a result of their exodus and having to parachute players from all over the world at disparate times is going to lead to inconsistent preparation leading to inconsistent performances over time.
If the Wallabies can catch their kicks then they'll give themselves a chance. Also there's got to be some sort of backlash from the poundings they've taken surely. They're at home and Australian pride has gotta kick in at some point.
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@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
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@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Sunday night, 10pm NZT.
Not happening ... would love to, but need to sleep for Monday. Sad face.
Bro, live a little, have a late one. It’s only Monday.
Looking forward to the test match. For whatever reason the Springboks don’t have a great travelling record to Oz and NZ no matter how good the Boks are going.
yeah, definitely for the All Blacks, but not sure it's worth it for Aus SA. Will probably just watch a replay. Back in the early 2000's the Boks were paying $7 for a win in Australia. Seven bucks! I hopped on it, and they got smoked. Still seems deeply weird to me how they travel so poorly
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The intercepts from Oz are a product of players developing in a shit competition against shit opposition where they get away with it. This idea from some that they need to develop on their own in their own comp can be shot down just by those examples alone IMO.
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players -
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
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@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
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@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
absolutely. Generational shift. But, I think the fringe players over the last 4 years have been worse than the fringe players previously
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@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
absolutely. Generational shift. But, I think the fringe players over the last 4 years have been worse than the fringe players previously
It's going to be interesting to see how this current batch turn out. We have a few players who could be really good
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@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Perhaps at Suncorp where they have such a strong record but this week is at the Gold Coast which typically draws poor sports crowds so this seems like an exaggeration.
As it's a double header and on a Sunday I expect a lot of kiwi/argie fans to watch the ABs game then leave - and of those that stay/come for the Wallabies-Boks game a lot will be Bok fans.
The last game Wallabies played on the Gold Coast was a loss to Argentina in front of 16,000 fans (capacity 27,000).
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@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds.
No.
At least, not according to Nick Mallet who basically said the superior Bok set piece and defence is going to challenge the ABs, and therefore it is implied they would be too good for the Wallabies.
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@kiwimurph I'll be interested to see if COVID plays a role in this i.e. there really has been fuck all on in terms of events. Against that, as you say: GC Stadium.
25C day and people might just have something better to do. I'll be in lockdown in front of of the box anyway.
Sunday games again. FFS... How am I supposed to get to church?
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