Super Rugby 2022
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants how do they not understand it just open's it up to criticism EVERY YEAR about uneven draw.
If a team ever make the final without playing the crusaders twice that will be the first headline
They are stuck between a rock and a hard place though. For it to be a half-decent comp they need some Aussie involvement at the end - even if manufactured.
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@kiwimurph i ge that bit, i just dont get how we cant fit in a full home and away
Gallaher championship play 22 (plus their cup comp) rounds and still fit in a similar number of internationals
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How out of touch are the idiots who come up with these ideas?
8 out of 12 teams making the finals?
Uneven games against hard/easy teams?
FFSAll they did is remove the best bit of the old conference system which was the Saffa teams and kept all the worst bits which were lopsided draws, undeserving teams making the finals and repeated games against the same teams. All so we could have a combined single table to show the standings in the ridiculous competition.
The format of the table wasn’t the issue you f****n idiots.
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwimurph i ge that bit, i just dont get how we cant fit in a full home and away
Gallaher championship play 22 (plus their cup comp) rounds and still fit in a similar number of internationals
They play through the international windows, for 11 months of the year pretty much
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And they wonder why more and more people switch off this bullshit. Super Rugby is boring, time for a total revamp.
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I think they are fucking this up a bit, but I also think it is NZ that is doing that. We simply have to have Oz sides in the finals (or final) to keep global interest.
Playing those in your conference twice and those in the other once is only imperfect if we have a finals series where we need cross-over games. Why not have a semi-final and final in each conference (SR Aotearoa, SR Australia) then those winners play in the Super rugby Ta$man final?
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@gt12 I'd favour SFs where the top team from SRA and SRAu hosts the second-placed team from the other conference. Your reward is a home SF, which is an advantage. Maybe you could extend that to a Top 3 in each conference where the top-seeded team gets a bye in week 1 of the playoffs and 2 plays 3 (cross-conference).
The problem with having two separate conferences is determining who gets to host the final if you have two different points tables for each conference, and don't play the same teams. The NBA is based on overall record but even though that isn't always fair they play enough games to justify their criteria.
I guess it will come down to the number of games NZR and RA wants their teams to play, and the duration of SR.
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
@gt12 I'd favour SFs where the top team from SRA and SRAu hosts the second-placed team from the other conference. Your reward is a home SF, which is an advantage. Maybe you could extend that to a Top 3 in each conference where the top-seeded team gets a bye in week 1 of the playoffs and 2 plays 3 (cross-conference).
The problem with having two separate conferences is determining who gets to host the final if you have two different points tables for each conference, and don't play the same teams. The NBA is based on overall record but even though that isn't always fair they play enough games to justify their criteria.
I guess it will come down to the number of games NZR and RA wants their teams to play, and the duration of SR.
I don't dislike this idea but this is where the complaints about not having the same table come in - a team with more points could play away to a team with fewer points who they beat in the round robin. Keeping separate finals makes the conference system a conference system.
If they won't do that and they really want this system, they should set up this competition with each team playing each other once per year (home or away) then two 6 team final series for Super Rugby trans-tasman Champion and Super rugby trans-tasman shield. All teams would play finals footy, medals for everyone.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
I think they are fucking this up a bit, but I also think it is NZ that is doing that. We simply have to have Oz sides in the finals (or final) to keep global interest.
Playing those in your conference twice and those in the other once is only imperfect if we have a finals series where we need cross-over games. Why not have a semi-final and final in each conference (SR Aotearoa, SR Australia) then those winners play in the Super rugby Ta$man final?
I would prefer that to the rubbish they are proposing above. The problem is that it then ends up being just one game. What is the point?
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@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2022:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
I think they are fucking this up a bit, but I also think it is NZ that is doing that. We simply have to have Oz sides in the finals (or final) to keep global interest.
Playing those in your conference twice and those in the other once is only imperfect if we have a finals series where we need cross-over games. Why not have a semi-final and final in each conference (SR Aotearoa, SR Australia) then those winners play in the Super rugby Ta$man final?
I would prefer that to the rubbish they are proposing above. The problem is that it then ends up being just one game. What is the point?
That's pretty existential on a sports forum man.
I do see where you are coming from, but I guess it would be a situation where all the country would get behind that one team for one big game.
All of the teams would still play in the cross-over round robin games, like the NBA, but at finals time you wouldn't see the other conference unless you made it that far.
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@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2022:
The problem is that it then ends up being just one game. What is the point?
I agree. In all of the big 4 US pro sports you still have conference/league SFs/finals, rather than just 1 vs 1. One extra game is not going to make a huge difference to the broadcasting revenue.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2022:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
I think they are fucking this up a bit, but I also think it is NZ that is doing that. We simply have to have Oz sides in the finals (or final) to keep global interest.
Playing those in your conference twice and those in the other once is only imperfect if we have a finals series where we need cross-over games. Why not have a semi-final and final in each conference (SR Aotearoa, SR Australia) then those winners play in the Super rugby Ta$man final?
I would prefer that to the rubbish they are proposing above. The problem is that it then ends up being just one game. What is the point?
That's pretty existential on a sports forum man.
I do see where you are coming from, but I guess it would be a situation where all the country would get behind that one team for one big game.
All of the teams would still play in the cross-over round robin games, like the NBA, but at finals time you wouldn't see the other conference unless you made it that far.
Oh, didn’t realise there would still be cross over games under your structure. Thought you meant they would be completely separate then come together for literally one game a season.
If a full 12 team home and away season with 4 team finals based on merit isn’t viable then my vote would be the old S12 style single game round robin and 4 team semis with any extra time in the calendar filled with an annual 2-3 game North vs South series.
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@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2022:
If a full 12 team home and away season with 4 team finals based on merit isn’t viable then my vote would be the old S12 style single game round robin and 4 team semis with any extra time in the calendar filled with an annual 2-3 game North vs South series.
or - for extra time - a straight knockout tournament, FA Cup style. 1-4 go through, 5-12 drop to 4, then quarters, semi, final.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2022:
If a full 12 team home and away season with 4 team finals based on merit isn’t viable then my vote would be the old S12 style single game round robin and 4 team semis with any extra time in the calendar filled with an annual 2-3 game North vs South series.
or - for extra time - a straight knockout tournament, FA Cup style. 1-4 go through, 5-12 drop to 4, then quarters, semi, final.
This is a pretty good idea too! I wish they'd consider some different options.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2022:
If a full 12 team home and away season with 4 team finals based on merit isn’t viable then my vote would be the old S12 style single game round robin and 4 team semis with any extra time in the calendar filled with an annual 2-3 game North vs South series.
or - for extra time - a straight knockout tournament, FA Cup style. 1-4 go through, 5-12 drop to 4, then quarters, semi, final.
This is a pretty good idea too! I wish they'd consider some different options.
hell, you could start it with minor qualifying the week of the final, since only 2 teams are involved. Would give everyone at least a week off in the middle (2 for 2 beaten semifinalists), and finish three weeks later. Every game means something, it'd be short sharp and fun
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I'm not sure how RA expects to have revenue sharing for domestic broadcasting deals, when Sky is paying NZR considerably more than Stan/Nine is to RA. I would have thought both parties could share overseas broadcasting revenue for a combined competition but retain their own domestic broadcasting revenue. The imbalance is a reflection of the importance of rugby to each countries broadcaster.
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An interesting story about who owns each of the 5 NZ franchises. The Chiefs, for example, have a complicated ownership structure. It's no wonder that the Hurricanes are so Wellington-centric as it appears that Manawatu and Hawke's Bay unions don't own any shares but H-K does.
HURRICANES
Wellington Rugby – 50 per cent
Horowhenua-Kapiti Rugby – 3 per cent
Paul Collins (Cohiba Traders) – 22 per cent
Liz Dawson (Forsyth Morison) – 12.5 per cent
Troy Bowker's 12.5 per cent share was sold last week, but the buyer is not yet known. -
Surprising new format for Super Rugby revealed
However damaged transtasman relations are, they have held up for long enough to enable administrators from New Zealand and Australia to agree a compromise deal on what Super Rugby will look like next year.
Agreement has been reached that all 12 teams in next year's competition will play each other once, with a further three round-robin fixtures to be randomly allocated, before eight teams feature in a traditional playoff format which will see number one on the ladder play number eight and so forth.
The mechanism to determine which three 'additional' opponents each team will play has not yet been determined.
The Herald understands that while Rugby Australia wanted these extra games to be domestic fixtures – Australian teams playing Australian teams and New Zealand teams playing New Zealand teams – that won't be the case.
Their request was not granted amid concerns that the competition would instantly lack integrity if there was a heavy weighting on local derbies – with New Zealand sides having argued in the past that this creates inequity and sets them a much harder path to reach the finals than their Australian rivals.
A formula is being developed based on how the transtasman table finished this year and the only certainty to date is that the two new teams, Moana Pasifika and Fiji Drua, will definitely play each other twice in 2022.
In practice this means the Blues, for example, will play every team in the competition once, with three other games – likely to comprise one fixture against a team that finished close to the top of the transtasman table, one against a mid-level finisher and one against a side that came near the bottom – split to ensure they host a total of seven home fixtures.
Exclusive: Surprising new format for Super Rugby revealed