Super Rugby 2022
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Despite his origins, DMac has said he wouldn't play for anyone but the Chiefs. He's close to being a centurion.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Duluth I think it would be his brother ending up on the bench. Perofeta to 10, Jordie to fullback. BB wearing 22. Zarn Sullivan to the Canes and Magpies. Perfect solution.
Sullivan to the Magpies and any other franchise is my preference.
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@Nepia Yeah, nah. I know I've been suggesting the Highlanders should appoint Mark Ozich, but what I really want is for Ozich to replace Jason Holland at the Canes. A change of guard that could be great for the Bay, because Ozich wouldn't want anything to do with that favouritism that's going on now. Whether we like it or not, the Bay is part of the Hurricanes franchise, so I'd like a coach who recognises that and selects his best players accordingly. That should include bringing players like Zarn home, which would be great as he'd be playing with his brother. And obviously, both signign with the Bay.
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@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Duluth I think it would be his brother ending up on the bench. Perofeta to 10, Jordie to fullback. BB wearing 22. Zarn Sullivan to the Canes and Magpies. Perfect solution.
Sullivan to the Magpies and any other franchise is my preference.
The Crusaders will need a replacement for RM soon 😀
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@Crazy-Horse Harry Godfrey is another one who would be wasted at the Canes under current management. A bit greener than Zarn, but a special prospect I think.
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For the good of NZ Rugby Zarn should be playing 10 and that pathway looks blocked at the Blues with Beaudy and Perofeta both around so a shift to another franchise makes sense.
Hopefully Zarn gets time at 10 in the NPC for Auckland - if Auckland play Hickey at 10 in front of Zarn they have rocks in their heads.
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Zarn is with the Blues until 2024
He's had very few minutes at ten in his career. When he has shifted there it hasn't gone that well.
I'd like to see him get time at 10 in the NPC. However it is possible that his best position is fullback
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I only noticed Zarn last year when he had some short spells and what made him stand out was the time he had on the ball. To me that flags him as potential to be a very good ten. He has good control over his kicks as well.
Obviously needs to play there to grow in the decision making area.I'm seeing a slightly different guy this year which makes me wonder if he is trying to much to play a certain way at fullback rather than let his natural instincts show where they should go.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Bovidae Yeah, I can't see it happening, but I think it would be great for the Highlanders if it happened.
im not sure ....i have flash backs to nonu, we need a full culture change and squad evaluation first and foremost, one big name wont cut it i dont think
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Bovidae Yeah, I can't see it happening, but I think it would be great for the Highlanders if it happened.
im not sure ....i have flash backs to nonu, we need a full culture change and squad evaluation first and foremost, one big name wont cut it i dont think
Have you thought about importing a bunch of established All Blacks from other franchises? That level of performance culture should fix whatever's wrong down South.
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@antipodean its bound to work the second time aye?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Nepia said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Duluth I think it would be his brother ending up on the bench. Perofeta to 10, Jordie to fullback. BB wearing 22. Zarn Sullivan to the Canes and Magpies. Perfect solution.
Sullivan to the Magpies and any other franchise is my preference.
The Crusaders will need a replacement for RM soon 😀
If he returns to Hawkes Bay I’d rather he go to the Crusaders than the Canes.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
The Canes are a cancer for Bay players. I’d rather they play under Razor than get missused by the Canes.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Crazy-Horse Harry Godfrey is another one who would be wasted at the Canes under current management. A bit greener than Zarn, but a special prospect I think.
Probably as Mr. Larsen, who has miraculously managed to get him allocated to his Petone Cub, will still be involved so at best will be sure to be gathering a collection of jerseys numbered between 21 and 23.
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@Nepia said in SF Blues v Brumbies:
@Donsteppa said in SF Blues v Brumbies:
Brumbies were always going to fuck this game up with a poor man's Bryn Gatland at first five.
As a Chiefs fan I object to that. I think Gatland is a poor mans Lolesio..
Teams pretty much ended up in order of first-fives as is usually the case in Super. Comes down to the battle of RM v BB
Reds fell apart without JOC. Tahs young fella has a fair bit to learn. Same with Canes best option. Gatland/Ioane/Lolosio all about the same
If I had to rank the best 10s from each team I'd end up with a list that closely resembled the team RR table (ignoring those teams where the overall weakness made it too hard for a 10 to influence wins e.g. MP)
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
Spot on I think. The Blues 10s have had talent, but with a garbage administration around them, they've struggled.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
Spot on I think. The Blues 10s have had talent, but with a garbage administration around them, they've struggled.
I wonder if it took having BB at training for Perofeta to finally click. His talent was obvious from early on (Perofuture) but the 'future' part took some time and had little upward trajectory for a while. Since BB has been there his game jumped up a level or two.
Chiefs or Canes with the new improved Perofeta would be a much harder proposition.
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
Spot on I think. The Blues 10s have had talent, but with a garbage administration around them, they've struggled.
I wonder if it took having BB at training for Perofeta to finally click.
That, and time. Asking 10s to come in and turn teams around is incredibly hard. I've just posted in the Blues 2022 thread, but the new board in Feb 2019 was massive for us.
Remember, people (including me) thought Perofeta was a wash, and the critique of Beaudy being on sabbatical was massive. Our record has been steadily improving:
2018 4-12
2019 5-1-10
2020 5-2
2021 4-4 and 5-0
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
I wonder if it took having BB at training for Perofeta to finally click. His talent was obvious from early on (Perofuture) but the 'future' part took some time and had little upward trajectory for a while. Since BB has been there his game jumped up a level or two.
Perofeta talked about the dynamic with BB a few days ago
“I’ve always idolised him,” he said of the 101-test All Black who missed last year's Super Rugby competition for his Japan sabbatical. “He’s a great player. I had a mindset shift of how can I better myself through his experience? The biggest barrier I had to break down was just to ask for help … so I’m clear and he’s clear on what we need from each other. “Once I broke that we started to build that relationship that is really having positive spinoffs on the field.”
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oh, good, and we're back here
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
oh, good, and we're back here
I only clicked on it to check that it was 2022 and not any of the cookie-cutter articles from previous years.
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@NTA said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
oh, good, and we're back here
I only clicked on it to check that it was 2022 and not any of the cookie-cutter articles from previous years.
If the Brumbies had a home final there would be none of this talk. You want more interest and more money? Be better.
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It's not surprising and to be honest I can see why Rugby Australia are thinking what they are.
Last year they got 40k for their domestic final and a large tv audience to watch Reds vs Brumbies decider.
This year they got one home quarter final.
Throw in the broadcasting $ issue + that RA under their current management like to negotiate through the media and here we are.
You could see this coming when RA only signed up to the trans-tasman Super comp for 2 years.
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This is the same Fox, who wouldn't pay RA enough to broadcast rugby in Australia. Nine/Stan probably paid unders for the deal.
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
This is the same Fox, who wouldn't pay RA enough to broadcast rugby in Australia. Nine/Stan probably paid unders for the deal.
I think they paid what it was worth at the time in a buyer's market.
And yes, Fox can go and get fucked.
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2022:
It's not surprising and to be honest I can see why Rugby Australia are thinking what they are.
Last year they got 40k for their domestic final and a large tv audience to watch Reds vs Brumbies decider.
This year they got one home quarter final.
Throw in the broadcasting $ issue + that RA under their current management like to negotiate through the media and here we are.
You could see this coming when RA only signed up to the trans-tasman Super comp for 2 years.
and they need to do something to raise the profile before hosting the RWC
Its also mad to think there is nothing between the guys i manage in melbourne and a super contract
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so, here the question for me....if a pacific super rugby comp was taking off the table....no wants to play with us....do we think a 5/6 team NZ super comp is the best was forward or a "full strength" NPC and flag the franchises
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@Kiwiwomble a 5 team comp is already boring....but I think the NPC as the main vehicle for NZR is too far gone, so yeah.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
so, here the question for me....if a pacific super rugby comp was taking off the table....no wants to play with us....do we think a 5/6 team NZ super comp is the best was forward or a "full strength" NPC and flag the franchises
no
and this is why i reckon, for all their talk, NZRU will blink.
Super Rugby Aotearoa is completely unsustainable. They would need to create a new comp from scratch for the first half of the year. Or tear up the entire structure and start again. And that will never happen.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble a 5 team comp is already boring....but I think the NPC as the main vehicle for NZR is too far gone, so yeah.
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
so, here the question for me....if a pacific super rugby comp was taking off the table....no wants to play with us....do we think a 5/6 team NZ super comp is the best was forward or a "full strength" NPC and flag the franchises
no
and this is why i reckon, for all their talk, NZRU will blink.
Super Rugby Aotearoa is completely unsustainable. They would need to create a new comp from scratch for the first half of the year. Or tear up the entire structure and start again. And that will never happen.
ok, at least im not crazy thinking SRA, even with a sixth team, is going to achieve little except wear out and bruise out top players
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@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
Otagolooks good
Love having North Auckland back
And the Vikings
And the South Central Vikings
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@Tim obvious joke aside...thats where it get messy, make a new comp too similar to NPC and it will do more damage to that legacy than good
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