Crusaders 2022
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@shark said in Crusaders 2022:
@duluth I'd rather see the local guys get first crack and back them to secure those spots. But between the four of them, several combos would work.
Disagree re Grace. He had only just broken through at 6 and then he gets thrown in at 8, which was a little unfair on a youngster. He'll come back.
Grace,Matera,Blackadder and probably Christie all rotated around as the 4 within the 23 is what I think will happen.
Young Kellow might get some useful game time as well, he has a decent build for a 7 and could handle the minutes. -
@shark said in Crusaders 2022:
Happy with the hookers, in Makalio's abence I don't see how we could strengthen that group. Immense ability and promise in that propping group with a good mix of three vets and three tyros coming through. However, across the front row if we were to lose two of Taylor, Moody, Jager and Bower at any given time, things look a bit green.
Good to see us secure Gallagher after letting go of Darry and Will Tucker over the last year or so.
Will be fascinating to see how Razor uses those loosies. Lots of utilty value in the group and I'm pleased to see we have one tall bloke in there (Gardiner) because it was starting to look a bit light on line-out options. I'd probably start with Grace (8), Christie (7) and Blackadder (6) though with Matera on the bench.
Hard to go wrong with those halfbacks. I wonder if the challenge of TTT being in the squad might even bring more out of Hall and Drummond.
Simon Hickey. FFS.
And so much talent and so many possible combinations in the midfield and outside backs it's not funny, even without Goodhue for quite a bit of the season.
Yep Agee great to see Zac Gallagher get a contract,I rate him highly.
Not sure on the Hookers I liked Makalio's physicality,Not sold on Klein yet and McAlister gets injured a fair bit.
Would like to see Liecester F get some time in the MF again especially with Goodhue out for up to 11 games.
Simon Hickey I just don't get that signing, I hope to be proved wrong by not my favourite signing.
I still would like to see more out of Punivai I thought he had a poor NPC.
McLeod as well, but he should stay at 2nd five,He was found out on D a lot when tried at center earlier in the NPC. -
@shark said in Crusaders 2022:
I'd rather see the local guys get first crack and back them to secure those spots. But between the four of them, several combos would work.
Disagree re Grace. He had only just broken through at 6 and then he gets thrown in at 8, which was a little unfair on a youngster. He'll come back.
I'd rather see local guys gets a chance too. Personally I don't think NZ franchises should be signing foreigners at all.
However he's in the squad, so I think Robertson will select him because he's better than the other players.
As for Grace - I think he disappointed at 8 because he lacks the skillset. I'm sure he'll go well back at 6. Compare him to the other franchises 8's from this year - Sotutu, Jacobson, Savea & Himeno. They are all better ball players than Grace and that seems to be the role at the moment. I think Matera can do that role better than anyone else in the Crusaders squad
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Looking at IG, Macca Springer from Ta$man has been training with the Crusaders.
Meanwhile, the new black training jersey is available on the Crusaders site. The fully branded standard jersey, training tee and singlet are widely available, but the white-dominant alternative jersey is off the shelf without a sponsors logo at the moment, or can be forward-ordered via Champions of the World with the logo but availability TBC.
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@shark said in Crusaders 2022:
Looking at IG, Macca Springer from Ta$man has been training with the Crusaders.
Meanwhile, the new black training jersey is available on the Crusaders site. The fully branded standard jersey, training tee and singlet are widely available, but the white-dominant alternative jersey is off the shelf without a sponsors logo at the moment, or can be forward-ordered via Champions of the World with the logo but availability TBC.
Yep Macca Springer in the WTG also Waisake Naholo in the squad as well.
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@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough. -
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough.If the Saders see Bower as the answer, then I'm a bit worried about whether Ryan is genuinely as good as people say he is.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough.If the Saders see Bower as the answer, then I'm a bit worried about whether Ryan is genuinely as good as people say he is.
He has done a pretty good job for the Crusaders,That's all Jason would worry about .
Invested in young Brewis as a LH to develop. -
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough.If the Saders see Bower as the answer, then I'm a bit worried about whether Ryan is genuinely as good as people say he is.
He has done a pretty good job for the Crusaders,That all Jason would worry about .
Invested in young Brewis as a LH to develop.With Bower's age, I just don't get it. He should be a (no) one season All Black. If that means they don't develop another WC LH to follow Moody, I'll be a bit pissed.
Is Brewis that good? What's his age etc?
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough.If the Saders see Bower as the answer, then I'm a bit worried about whether Ryan is genuinely as good as people say he is.
He has done a pretty good job for the Crusaders,That all Jason would worry about .
Invested in young Brewis as a LH to develop.With Bower's age, I just don't get it. He should be a (no) one season All Black. If that means they don't develop another WC LH to follow Moody, I'll be a bit pissed.
Is Brewis that good? What's his age etc?
He is good around the field.He needs a bit of strengthing work for scrummaging.
I am sure the coaching staff will be working on that.
He is about to turn 22 in a few weeks.
186cm 121 Kg which I am sure he will bulk up a bit more with the gym work. -
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough.If the Saders see Bower as the answer, then I'm a bit worried about whether Ryan is genuinely as good as people say he is.
I have no idea whether Ryan is any good or not but a coach can only work with the cattle he has. If the young props are not ready yet Bowers is ok as a back up LH at Super level I would have thought.
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@crazy-horse said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough.If the Saders see Bower as the answer, then I'm a bit worried about whether Ryan is genuinely as good as people say he is.
I have no idea whether Ryan is any good or not but a coach can only work with the cattle he has. If the young props are not ready yet Bowers is ok as a back up LH at Super level I would have thought.
My point was why focus on Moody and Bower (both old) while pushing Williams (a 21-year old LH) over the TH side (especially while they also have 21-year old TH Newell there).
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough.If the Saders see Bower as the answer, then I'm a bit worried about whether Ryan is genuinely as good as people say he is.
I have no idea whether Ryan is any good or not but a coach can only work with the cattle he has. If the young props are not ready yet Bowers is ok as a back up LH at Super level I would have thought.
My point was why focus on Moody and Bower (both old) while pushing Williams (a 21-year old LH) over the TH side (especially while they also have 21-year old TH Newell there).
I think Williams will still play at LH occasionally due to resting Moody and Bower.
Williams has played a lot of TH it was really the Crusaders who started him at LH last season,TH might be a natural fit for him.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough.If the Saders see Bower as the answer, then I'm a bit worried about whether Ryan is genuinely as good as people say he is.
I have no idea whether Ryan is any good or not but a coach can only work with the cattle he has. If the young props are not ready yet Bowers is ok as a back up LH at Super level I would have thought.
My point was why focus on Moody and Bower (both old) while pushing Williams (a 21-year old LH) over the TH side (especially while they also have 21-year old TH Newell there).
Who knows, could be any number of reasons. Maybe they feel Wiiliams is not up to being number two LH yet? Maybe he is a better option to cover TH? Maybe he asked for experience at TH with a view to his future AB aspirations?
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@crazy-horse said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
My prediction is on.
How come Williams is going to TH then? Are they trying to get him as a 5th prop option?
I’ll be happy if one of them ends up a Laulala at the Chiefs.
It seems the Crusaders with Moody and Bower as main LHs. They want to give Williams game time plus they see Newell and Williams potential ABs but both as THs.
Trying to use all 4 the best way they can.
Your team is pretty stocked at TH, Moli comes right with injuries he is an AB of the future.Those 3 mentioned are probably the standout young THs coming through,
More depth at LH coming through De Groot,Norris plus Hodgmen is still young enough.If the Saders see Bower as the answer, then I'm a bit worried about whether Ryan is genuinely as good as people say he is.
I have no idea whether Ryan is any good or not but a coach can only work with the cattle he has. If the young props are not ready yet Bowers is ok as a back up LH at Super level I would have thought.
My point was why focus on Moody and Bower (both old) while pushing Williams (a 21-year old LH) over the TH side (especially while they also have 21-year old TH Newell there).
Who knows, could be any number of reasons. Maybe they feel Wiiliams is not up to being number two LH yet? Maybe he is a better option to cover TH? Maybe he asked for experience at TH with a view to his future AB aspirations?
I don't know, but as I mentioned, I'm intrigued to see whether Ryan can bring these two through as they both have pretty big wraps on them. I'll be a bit disappointed if one of them ends up not getting developed because of a donkey like Bower.
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@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
I think Owen Frank's was squatting 300kg by the end of his career. It was Frank's academy record Newell beat a couple years back.
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@bobily2 said in Crusaders 2022:
@chris said in Crusaders 2022:
Fletcher Newell big 270kg squat tonight in the gym,not bad for a young pup smashed Owen Franks squat record for the 2nd time.
I think Owen Frank's was squatting 300kg by the end of his career. It was Frank's academy record Newell beat a couple years back.
Yes it was I should have added Newell smashed it a 2nd time
