EPL 2021 / 2022
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as a sports watcher of a certain age it's really strange to see Man U not really relevant in the Premier League
Now 5th, and if Arsenal don't balls up the games in hand, a mile from 4th. In 3 games against City and Liverpool the combined score is 11-1.
Coming up to 10 years since a league title. 5 years since they won a cup.
For 20 years Man U under Alex Ferguson were one of the most dominant sports teams in the world. Since then they are basically Spurs.
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It's really incredible how much they've fucked up. Over a billion pounds in the transfer market over that time too.
The battle for fourth looks like it will be a good one. I think Arsenal getting ahead is massive for them mentally. Having games in hand is great but if they were must-win to get ahead then the pressure is massive. But knowing they're ahead they can relax a little more. But still with west ham, man u, spurs and maybe wolves (although that loss to crystal palace probably means they're too far back now) at least one will put together a strong run to put pressure on Arsenal. Arteta seems to be turning things around but there's still time for a late season collapse.
Getting that 4th spot for is probably going to be pretty critical for Arsenal and Spurs. They both need a big off season recruiting if they want to really get back in to serious title contention and being in the champions league is key for that. Same for Man U but they have a bigger brand and bank balance so maybe they don't hurt as much. But those memories are fading so they'll need to get back soonish or they'll have the same problems.
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
as a sports watcher of a certain age it's really strange to see Man U not really relevant in the Premier League
Now 5th, and if Arsenal don't balls up the games in hand, a mile from 4th. In 3 games against City and Liverpool the combined score is 11-1.
Coming up to 10 years since a league title. 5 years since they won a cup.
For 20 years Man U under Alex Ferguson were one of the most dominant sports teams in the world. Since then they are basically Spurs.
Managers who have won trophies (top division only and including charity shield)
Mangnall(1903-1912) 5 (2 titles)
Busby (1945-1968) 13 (5 titles)
Docherty (1972-1977) 1
Atkinson (1981-1986) 3
Ferguson (1986-2013) 38 (13 titles)
Moyes (2013-2014) 1
van Gaal (2014-2016) 1
Mourinho (2016-2018) 3So basically 2 managers who had over 20 years in charge have won nearly all their titles including 18 of 20 championships. Liverpool might turn out to be the same with Klopp and City with Pep although City had already won titles before Pep arrived.
This morning, United's tactical plan was a good one, they pressed City and forced errors but couldn't combine that without leaving huge gaps behind them.
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This is an interesting table - the EPL since the end of September and it shows just how bad Everton's form has been since a promising start to the season when they were joint 2nd after 6 games. It also shows how well Arsenal have done since then and how bad Man U have been. Man U v Spurs at the weekend, if Spurs can win that then maybe it is Spurs v the Arse for 4th spot
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PSG spend all the money and it just never works
Bundled out by the never-dead Real Madrid. So it's back to winning their one-horse-race of a French League.
Bayern, City, Liverpool and Real all through to quarters. And it's hard to see the winner not coming from there.
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@mariner4life The reigning champs are still in with a shout. They're not as good as the teams you mention, but the same was true last year.
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@mariner4life The reigning champs are still in with a shout. They're not as good as the teams you mention, but the same was true last year.
that's very fair
I look forward to what new and interesting way City find to balls this up
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@mariner4life The reigning champs are still in with a shout. They're not as good as the teams you mention, but the same was true last year.
that's very fair
I look forward to what new and interesting way City find to balls this up
Of next week's games, all of the teams look flawed except Chelsea although Ajax are pretty impressive at times. At half-time with a 2-0 aggregate lead, surely PSG had to take it to at least extra time. Poch certainly seems pretty clueless about making a great team of a randomly assembled team of stars - so perfect for Man U to swoop for him at the end of the season.
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Chelsea football club has been seized by the UK govt due to sanctions imposed on the owner.
The conditions they are able to operate under are very limiting and designed to stop any money going to Abromivich
Quite an incredible day and all this on Chelsea’s 117th birthday!
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@dagrubster said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Chelsea football club has been seized by the UK govt due to sanctions imposed on the owner.
The conditions they are able to operate under are very limiting and designed to stop any money going to Abromivich
Quite an incredible day and all this on Chelsea’s 117th birthday!
That will be very interesting. I suspect many of the staff on the day to day operational side are 'imports'.
Security at Stamford Bridge certainly all looked like extras from a Russian Mob movie. -
Might be too late for us to make a push for European football, but Villa are playing some beautiful football right now. Just a shame Gerrard took a little too long to find our best side but I think we can really push for European football next year with a couple more signings.
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I am shocked, shocked that Chelski bought success with KGB/ Russian mob money. Who knew?
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@sparky said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
I am shocked, shocked that Chelski bought success with KGB/ Russian mob money. Who knew?
They're not called Cheatski for nothing! Roman just wrote off 1.5bn in loans to the club as well. So much for FFP
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@canefan said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@sparky said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
I am shocked, shocked that Chelski bought success with KGB/ Russian mob money. Who knew?
They're not called Cheatski for nothing! Roman just wrote off 1.5bn in loans to the club as well. So much for FFP
They’re not called Cheatski.
It was a good run, who knows what the future holds.
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@majorrage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@canefan said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@sparky said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
I am shocked, shocked that Chelski bought success with KGB/ Russian mob money. Who knew?
They're not called Cheatski for nothing! Roman just wrote off 1.5bn in loans to the club as well. So much for FFP
They’re not called Cheatski.
It was a good run, who knows what the future holds.
They get sold for a cheap (relatively speaking) deal to a Tory doner who doesn't splash as much cash and they regress into a team hunting 4th place I suspect.
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Chelsea have won more trophies than any other English club since Abramovich took over but that relied on him not being worried about losing money each season. That won't be a sustainable business model for the new owner, especially if they are American.
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@bovidae said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Chelsea have won more trophies than any other English club since Abramovich took over but that relied on him not being worried about losing money each season. That won't be a sustainable business model for the new owner, especially if they are American.
Losing money?
He paid 170 mill lent 1.5b and wants 3B for the club.
He was never losing money! Until a week ago at least ….
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Hard to see how he would have got £3b with the stadium ownership restrictions.
Will be interesting to see the developments this week and if they are granted a license to sell the club. If the govt want to oversee the process it will not happen quickly.
