One domestic NZ competition?
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You'd also have to be very careful with ABs salary caps. If a franchise/club has a very good academy, they'll recruit better talent and develop more players into All Blacks than franchises/clubs with an average academy. If you introduce a salary cap for ABs, that means that the franchise/club with the very good academy will have to lose ABs to stay within the salary cap. So they're basically developing players for other franchises/clubs. That could result in that academy investing less in player development (only develop the few they can afford to keep). That would be a bad outcome for NZR rugby and the All Blacks.
You could, maybe, limit the salary cap to franchises/clubs signing players who are already ABs, in positions where they already have good players available (non-ABs), or something like that.
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@mariner4life said in One domestic NZ competition?:
It's probably too expensive and unworkable, and TR is going to hate me again like he did when the 14 team NPC was created, but
Still, not again, I havent forgotten
Hey there are some good ideas in here, I mean I'd hate if we became a 'North Auckland' team with NH, but by the same token, if things were done properly, I think it could help club footy, which is a good thing in the long run.
As everyone knows, I love NPC, I love Northland, I love club footy, schoolboy footy...but I am in a smaller group who's love is more for thier province than the ABs.
BUt the next generation of kids growing up, unlike me who just wanted to pull on the Cambridge Blue, these kids do aspire to play for the Blues.
But you all know the real problem here right?
Being that on the surface, this all sounds like it is workable, meaning NZR will never buy it, let alone the provinces, especially those in the firing line.
All that being said, shit ideas fluffybunnies!
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I'm sorry but most of these ideas are just not feasible for a variety of reasons including commercial and broadcasting rights. Sky TV will offer far less money for this proposal for example.
Let me give one example, when is the competition actually going to be held and when is it going to finish? Is it going to finish at the same time as Super Rugby? Okay, what are the non-All Blacks going to do for the rest of the year? They are not allowed to play in the wholly amateur Mitre 10 Cup which people are proposing.
Let's say the competition finishes in August. It's going to finish during the Rugby Championship so the All Blacks will miss the play offs? Pointless. Or do we live in a fantasy world where every other country moves their calendar to suit us?
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I enjoy NPC and Super but call me a millennial as I prefer Super. You guys probably already know but I'm a die hard Chiefs fan, I have so much chiefs merch, and I'm always waiting for team announcements and any smidgen on news (that's actually what brought me here by accident). I'm 2 jerseys off having every single one. Might sounds cringe but I feel like it's a part of me. I know others that are like myself as well. I feel if Super sides are gone then people my age and around might lose interest as Super is the way they grew up watching rugby.
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@yeetyaah said in One domestic NZ competition?:
I enjoy NPC and Super but call me a millennial as I prefer Super. You guys probably already know but I'm a die hard Chiefs fan, I have so much chiefs merch, and I'm always waiting for team announcements and any smidgen on news (that's actually what brought me here by accident). I'm 2 jerseys off having every single one. Might sounds cringe but I feel like it's a part of me. I know others that are like myself as well. I feel if Super sides are gone then people my age and around might lose interest as Super is the way they grew up watching rugby.
The proposal from Duluth was to keep the Chiefs and other Super franchises and create five more.
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It might be a bit simplistic but the older ones like NPC and the younger ones like super rugby in its current form and although all will feel like they are losing something, if something new is created..given they follow rugby both will begrudgingly follow whatever comes, while the next generation will prefer the next version.
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@hydro11 exactly - Sky pay for games and duration. Make a shorter, tougher season, and Sky will pay less because there are people who only subscribe for the rugby, so if the professional rugby season is shorter, Sky will lose subscription revenue.
The other factor is that a lot of places have invested in infrastructure (mostly stadiums) to host a known number of home games. Shrink that substantially and there will be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth about white elephants etc.
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@godder said in One domestic NZ competition?:
Sky pay for games and duration. Make a shorter, tougher season, and Sky will pay less because there are people who only subscribe for the rugby, so if the professional rugby season is shorter, Sky will lose subscription revenue.
SRA is the shorter tougher season
I'm advocating for a longer professional competition with the best players
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@taniwharugby said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@mariner4life said in One domestic NZ competition?:
As everyone knows, I love NPC, I love Northland, I love club footy, schoolboy footy...but I am in a smaller group who's love is more for thier province than the ABs.
me too, its hard to change gears from supporting several underdog teams to supporting the AB's
I thin ive said before my enthusiasm is almost inversely proportional to the level, i would love to see Otago Boys win the top for...and then i would love to see Dunedin win the Dunedin club comp and up the ladder we go
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@dan54 said in One domestic NZ competition?:
I still reckon having an 'elite' comp is a great idea, stepping stone to ABs if you will. I pretty happy with structure we got now.
What is the "structure we got now."?
It's different to the structure we will have next year, it is also different to the structure we had last year, which was different to the structure we had the year before.
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@yeetyaah i feel the chiefs connect with there waikato and counties province well. Thats probably the same for for the 5 main cities/franchises where the NPC teams play in front of empty stands. Definitly wellington and waikato anyway
I feel in northland most people are more supportive of the Taniwha than any super Rugby side, and that is probably reflected in our stadium numbers.
I am on record last year advocating for a comp like this. Was the perfect time. Even an NRL type scenario with NZ 10 teams 5 aussie teams. Aussies would be very strong obviously but thatd be great.
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@muddyriver said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@yeetyaah i feel the chiefs connect with there waikato and counties province well. Thats probably the same for for the 5 main cities/franchises where the NPC teams play in front of empty stands. Definitly wellington and waikato anyway
I feel in northland most people are more supportive of the Taniwha than any super Rugby side, and that is probably reflected in our stadium numbers.
I am on record last year advocating for a comp like this. Was the perfect time. Even an NRL type scenario with NZ 10 teams 5 aussie teams. Aussies would be very strong obviously but thatd be great.
The quickest way to improve standards in New Zealand rugby is to lose to Australians.
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@muddyriver said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@yeetyaah i feel the chiefs connect with there waikato and counties province well. Thats probably the same for for the 5 main cities/franchises where the NPC teams play in front of empty stands. Definitly wellington and waikato anyway
I feel in northland most people are more supportive of the Taniwha than any super Rugby side, and that is probably reflected in our stadium numbers.
I am on record last year advocating for a comp like this. Was the perfect time. Even an NRL type scenario with NZ 10 teams 5 aussie teams. Aussies would be very strong obviously but thatd be great.
I think its probably similar for lots of "secondary" cities/unions, i know mates from invercargill wo care little for the Highlanders, not helped by the strange seemingly deliberate removal of connections to these areas, our away jersey often cited as an example
@rapido said in One domestic NZ competition?:
The North Auckland Knightiwhas:
thats sick, have suggested something similar for the Highlanders but obviously darker blue and gold instead of white
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the perfect amalgamation already exists
