Exodus 2016

mariner4life

pffft i wasn't even close to being good enough even for that, but i can see why it's an attractive offer, especially for the injury prone, it doesn't look too rough. But i will take any comment that someone will be ok for international rugby because they are killing it in japan with a huuuuge grain of salt.

gollum

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I haven't watched any NH rugby so forgive me if my comments are misguided, but the cynical among us really wonder about the quality level of the game up there when you read quotes like this (from a respected rugby press) 
 
"28-year-old (Hadleigh) Parkes, also a Kiwi, is one of the men benefiting from Pivacâ€™s license to play and has been among the best players in the Pro12 so far this season."
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To be fair, Pro 12 is like the 3rd division. Its a stack of shithouse Italian, Irish & Italian teams. And the Welsh. Its a very shallow talent pool, you don't have to be very good to be one of Zebre or Glasgows top players
 
You want to watch top flight Welsh players you watch the HC teams from France.

ulsterman

The best 4 or 5 teams in the Pro12 - on current form Ulster, Leinster, Scarlets, Glasgow and Ospreys - could just about hold a game against (say) the worst 5 teams in Super Rugby.
 
The rest of them would have trouble in the ITM Cup.

Billy Tell

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I haven't watched any NH rugby so forgive me if my comments are misguided, but the cynical among us really wonder about the quality level of the game up there when you read quotes like this (from a respected rugby press) 
 
"28-year-old (Hadleigh) Parkes, also a Kiwi, is one of the men benefiting from Pivacâ€™s license to play and has been among the best players in the Pro12 so far this season."
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From what I have seen (mainly the Irish sides play), Leinster would finish mid table SXV, Ulster have decent enough backs but woeful forwards, Munster are a complete shadow of their former selves and ITM cup material. Ditto for Connacht.
 
The Pro 12 is losing relevance outside of the teams that participate, the vast majority of SH players are heading to UK & France with the odd exception (eg Piutau). Francis Saili has been very poor for Munster.

Crucial

So Pat Lam has also found his level?

Billy Tell

They love pat lam out wesht of Ireland. From where I'm sitting Connacht are heading to their usual mid table pro 12 finish and the European challenge cup. Same old same old. Expect lam will hand pick a few more ITM cup journeymen to head there. Dunno what bundee Aki was thinking.

taniwharugby

guess this is as good of a place as any...We all feel bad for the rich French fulla right? maybe he should kit Toulon out in Black as that seems to be what inspires Nonu the best!
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/75800356/toulon-owner-mourad-boudjellal-lashes-maa-nonu-tom-taylor-and-quade-cooper'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/75800356/toulon-owner-mourad-boudjellal-lashes-maa-nonu-tom-taylor-and-quade-cooper</a>
 
All Blacks Ma'a Nonu and Tom Taylor and Wallabies playmaker Quade Cooper have all felt the sting of outspoken Toulon owner Mourad Boudjellal who has been critical of their early efforts in Europe.
The big-spending Frenchman has high standards and he expects his players and team to meet them.
But he's not been happy with some of his latest high profile signings as Toulon struggle in fourth in the French Top 14 championship with seven wins and five losses. In their European Champions Cup pool they lie second to London Wasps.
Cooper has had a tough act to follow in the form of England legend Jonny Wilkinson in the red No 10 jersey.
READ MORE: 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/75775574/dan-carter-too-good-for-chris-masoe-when-it-comes-to-speaking-french'>Clever Carter bemuses Masoe</a> 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/75796884/all-black-ben-smith-offers-to-host-personal-training-session-for-young-fans'>All Black helps out young fans</a> 
* <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/75763162/manu-tuilagi-set-to-miss-start-of-six-nations-despite-premiership-return'>Tuilagi back but no 6N yet</a>
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Asked how the change was working, Boudjellal told Quinze Mondial: "It's difficult to go from foie gras to pÃ¢tÃ©."
That translated to having Wilkinson as the duck delicacy and Cooper as the standard fare.
"For now, Cooper is not what I was hoping for. But we have to also give him time.
"Right now if I say that I'm not happy with our stars, it's only because we expect a lot. It's true that in our imagination, we want them to fly across the pitch. 
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Earlier Boudjellal had been critical of his two New Zealand signings.
He had labelled some of Nonu's performances as the backline's king-pin as "disappointing" but said he was "not worried" and that the All Blacks double World Cup winner wasn't "a lost bet".
He had told Le 10 Sport: "I can't tell you that I don't have concerns when I see the performances of Ma'a Nonu."
Taylor didn't escape his frank views either, clearly not giving his boss too much confidence with his goalkicking.
"I have the impression that Tom Taylor, an All Black, trembles each time he has a penalty attempt," Boudjellal said.
 - Stuff

Hooroo

Poor ole Quade, he is always on a hiding to nothing

mariner4life

you buy blokes on the verge of retirement, and buy a team of players who are playing for the cheque book, pay them an obscene amount of money, and you wonder why they aren't pissing blood for you? What a tool, these guys are test players, Toulon are not a country.

No Quarter

Nonu was never going to put his body on the line for Toulon. He wouldn't do it for the Blues or the Highlanders, let alone bloody Toulon.
 
All I have to say about that is LOL.

rotated

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Nonu was never going to put his body on the line for Toulon. He wouldn't do it for the Blues or the Highlanders, let alone bloody Toulon.
 
All I have to say about that is LOL.
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Forget body on the line - how do you expect these guys to play top quality rugby after playing almost 12 months straight culminating in the biggest physical and mental effort of their careers in late October. They need a serious spell in order to play top quality rugby - if they ever could for Toulon, that's not Nonu specific.

taniwharugby

yep, Nonu was probably in career best form for the whole of 2015, with his AB career coming to an end, going out on the ultimate rugby high, even if he isn't physically drained, he must be mentally.

Crucial

Besides, Cooper never passes to his 12 unless he is in trouble.

Siam

Ridiculous comment about Tom Taylor. How does that help his performance in any way?
 
"I have the impression that Tom Taylor, an All Black, trembles each time he has a penalty attempt," Boudjellal said.
 
You sir are a dick

MajorRage

Quade doesn't want to be there - was pretty open about that a few months back, but was forced into it by some earlier poor decison making.
 
Nonu sounds about as I;d expect, given the previous 12 months and previous provincial form (outside the canes).
 
Taylor, pointless comment really. But I'm not sure what his expectations of Taylor are, did he ever watch him play?

taniwharugby

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Taylor didn't escape his frank views either, clearly not giving his boss too much confidence with his goalkicking.
"I have the impression that Tom Taylor, an All Black, trembles each time he has a penalty attempt," Boudjellal said.
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Taylor, pointless comment really. But I'm not sure what his expectations of Taylor are, did he ever watch him play?
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I think that is the expectation there...

Unco

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I think that is the expectation there...
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If that's the case then they've only got themselves to blame, they should've taken a closer look before throwing a shitload of money at him. Even when he made the ABs in 2013, he was still just the fourth choice 10 and by 2015, he'd sunk down to sixth choice.
 
As for Nonu, it's not the first time he's had an insanely long season and suffered the consequences. He had a sabbatical in Japan after the 2011 RWC and didn't look too hot when he came back.

taniwharugby

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If that's the case then they've only got themselves to blame, they should've taken a closer look before throwing a shitload of money at him. Even when he made the ABs in 2013, he was still just the fourth choice 10 and by 2015, he'd sunk down to sixth choice.
 
As for Nonu, it's not the first time he's had an insanely long season and suffered the consequences. He had a sabbatical in Japan after the 2011 RWC and didn't look too hot when he came back.
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NOt saying he is right, but that was likely thier expectation; a guy that played for the ABs so the expectation would be to walk off the plane and hit the field running...I expect the fact he had 1 cap following injuries was not a huge part of signing him, it was 'former All Black Tom Taylor'

Stargazer

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If that's the case then they've only got themselves to blame, they should've taken a closer look before throwing a shitload of money at him. Even when he made the ABs in 2013, he was still just the fourth choice 10 and by 2015, he'd sunk down to sixth choice.
 
As for Nonu, it's not the first time he's had an insanely long season and suffered the consequences. He had a sabbatical in Japan after the 2011 RWC and didn't look too hot when he came back.
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I doubt Toulon has thrown a shitload of money at Tom Taylor. He's just on loan from Bayonne for one year. The money will be good, but no where near as much as Nonu.

gollum

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you buy blokes on the verge of retirement, and buy a team of players who are playing for the cheque book, pay them an obscene amount of money, and you wonder why they aren't pissing blood for you? What a tool, these guys are test players, Toulon are not a country. 
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As he notes tho' thats exactly what he bought in terms of Wilkenson & he was fantastic. Really outstanding. Same with Matt Gittau
 
He's bought a few massive semi retired players & they have been among the top performers in Europe, so when he buys others & they don't give a shit he gets miffed.

The Silver Fern

Exodus 2016