Super Rugby Trans Tasman
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crazy-horse said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@nzzp just about every Crusader supporting poster has acknowledged the Saders didn't get the job done. Not sure many are that disturbed at missing out.
Surely you see coming and here or the final thread and giving any kind of post about how this doesn’t mean as much or anything or the crusaders were still the best over all can come across like sore losers
Any kind of congrats to the finialists with a caveat are a bit…
Legitimate comments on what a poor structure the whole Comp is might be better placed after the final rather than directly after the crusaders were knocked out
Bad timing, fair enough.
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Actually starting to look forward to the final! But then I can't remember when I didn't look forward to a game of rugby in my life!
I know we will hear this and that is wrong with the comp this year, but to be fair covid prevented anything else so it is what it is.
I kond of struggling to decide who I really want to win. I like most people have a soft spot for the Clan, love the way they play, really seem to generally have a very well thought out game plan and players buy into it, so great to watch.
I like how the Blues have come on in the last couple of years, have some bloody good players, and seemingly learning to play a quite intelligent style, ( helped by using young Zarn at 15) so if their loosies can get on top of Clan's, will be fun to watch! -
@kirwan said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crazy-horse said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@nzzp just about every Crusader supporting poster has acknowledged the Saders didn't get the job done. Not sure many are that disturbed at missing out.
Posts in this thread seems to show the opposite is true for a percentage of them.
It's like listenting to a three year old throw toys out of a pram.
You're way off base.
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@crazy-horse well you know what, you argued so well I will concede the point.
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@crazy-horse The point is to see which team is the best at flogging reserve grade sides. Guess it's probably the Blues.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Been travelling, so just getting to this thread now. Wow, some folk have fired up.
Just for charity, my comment about the crusaders is solely relating to SRTT. Crusader's fans can sleep easily that they were the best team in SRA.
In SRTT, though, they haven't been at their best. Nearly lost to the Brumbies, and couldn't get enough points when it mattered against the rebels and force. I don't think it's ludicrous to suggest they weren't playing their best in this competition, and the third place finish kind of confirms that.
The comp was always going to be a drag race, and in the end the blues led start to finish. Highlanders did enough with a very very strong performance away in Canberra, and I don't think get enough credit for that.
Anyway, don't panic Saders fans, the dynasty is intact for another year, despite some hiccups and patchy form.
And even then it came down to the last few minutes in the last game - sometimes that goes our way, sometimes it doesn't, and if we were better, we'd have won by more and not left it to the last minute. Points differential has a lot more pedigree as a tiebreaker than boundaries... Congrats to the Highlanders and Blues (totally agree that they put in the performances), and we'll just have to do better next time.
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What’s this crap talk about the winner of this farce of a comp playing the northern hemispheres top team? If the trans Ta$man comp had involved everyone playing each other sure but it didn't. The winner of the strongest competition played in the Southern Hemisphere is the only choice and the strongest comp where all the teams actually played each other was Super Rugby Aotearoa.
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Chiefs fans take. I didn't feel anywhere near the same amount of hype for this comp as I did SRA. Knowing that the games could go either way and we were playing each other and I knew all the players got me so excited for the games. The players were also excited to play in the games which helps. Probably helped that the Chiefs did well in SRA.
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@nepia said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kiap said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@nepia said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Hardly, there's non Magpies involved in that.
Weren't they in the CANZ?
Canada/Argentina/NZ. I'm supportive. Tucuman FTW.
Nah, we were like the red head step child back then. But, most of our good players were playing for Otago in those days so technically yes.
IIRC we played Western Province and ACT in some early season games but they weren't ever part of an official competition.
2nd Div ... and Vikings ...
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'We need it': Blues chief executive reveals plans for global club competition are underway
Blues chief executive Andrew Hore has revealed plans to create a Champions League-style global club competition are underway.
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Not sure where to put this so putting this here.
This was as obvious as night follows day.
NZ Rugby and Rugby Australia had previously indicated that agreement on the future of Super Rugby could be reached by late June, but that is now an optimistic deadline after Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan told Stuff that significant differences remain. There is no agreement on how the rights and revenue for the competition are to be shared, what the competition looks like, and whether Moana Pasifika and Fijian Drua can stand up over the longer-term, while talks have left Rugby Australia feeling undervalued – despite their recognition that the Australian sides need to improve. “Trans Ta$man currently feels pretty imbalanced,” McLennan said. “We’re not changing our five teams so we need to work out an equitable attribution to running the competition. New Zealand’s [TV] ratings went up during Trans Ta$man, whilst ours went down.” -
@kiwimurph The great irony is neither country can afford to go it alone.
edit- Unless NZ can sell a 10 team "professional NPC" to OS markets at a profit.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kiwimurph The great irony is neither country can afford to go it alone.
edit- Unless NZ can sell a 10 team "professional NPC" to OS markets at a profit.
respect to RA for looking at what was actually attracting interest from their fans
The aussie guys around my club werent sure who had made the final of SRTT
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@kiwimurph From that article:
Rugby Australia is thought be looking at a conference model for Super Rugby Trans Ta$man, in which Moana Pasifika will join the New Zealand side of the draw and the Fijian Drua are in the Australian side – if the new franchises stack up.
The winners from each conference would then face each other in the final, guaranteeing that one side from the Australian conference would be in the final.They can f*ck right off. There should be semi-finals between the top 4 teams regardless of conference. Winners of SFs play the Final.
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kiwimurph The great irony is neither country can afford to go it alone.
edit- Unless NZ can sell a 10 team "professional NPC" to OS markets at a profit.
respect to RA for looking at what was actually attracting interest from their fans
They don't have any unless they're winning. The rest of the market is expats so if they go alone then maybe two - three teams have increased supporter interest and the standard of rugby continues to decline. As does what broadcasters will be willing to pay which feeds into their ability to invest and keep talent.
It's obvious to me that RA doesn't appear to have a long term plan.
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@antipodean i have to disagree, rugby in aus is just in a completely different situation than in NZ, they actually need to grow interest and grow fans that will still watch team when theyre not winning, Nz fan just want the best rugby, finding something that fixes both is going to tough if not impossible
do we really need to mix thing up? top five NPC teams play in a trans Ta$man comp but we keep SRA for the higher level. most people seemed to think playing the aussie teams wasn;t doing much for our top players other than risking injury...but it might help younger NPC level guys
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
grow fans that will still watch team when theyre not winning
AFL fans aside, that is not the Australian way. You gotta win or you are forgotten.
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean i have to disagree, rugby in aus is just in a completely different situation than in NZ, they actually need to grow interest and grow fans that will still watch team when theyre not winning, Nz fan just want the best rugby, finding something that fixes both is going to tough if not impossible
How does RA grow the game playing amongst themselves?
do we really need to mix thing up? top five NPC teams play in a trans Ta$man comp but we keep SRA for the higher level. most people seemed to think playing the aussie teams wasn;t doing much for our top players other than risking injury...but it might help younger NPC level guys
How does RA get better playing substandard opposition? What happens when they come up against good teams?
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean i have to disagree, rugby in aus is just in a completely different situation than in NZ, they actually need to grow interest and grow fans that will still watch team when theyre not winning, Nz fan just want the best rugby, finding something that fixes both is going to tough if not impossible
How does RA grow the game playing amongst themselves?
do we really need to mix thing up? top five NPC teams play in a trans Ta$man comp but we keep SRA for the higher level. most people seemed to think playing the aussie teams wasn;t doing much for our top players other than risking injury...but it might help younger NPC level guys
How does RA get better playing substandard opposition? What happens when they come up against good teams?
...it grows interest, as it did during SRAU, more people watched that than SRTT games.
the top NPC team are probably not far off the SRAU teams, it would give them more games against different styles, has to be better than getting smashed most games
We have to see the difference between growing the sport in general, long term having more people playing and so more to pick from and the current hundred top player getting better, one is long term and one is short
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
grow fans that will still watch team when theyre not winning
AFL fans aside, that is not the Australian way. You gotta win or you are forgotten.
then no point playing against NZ, we've almost always have the upper hand, so cut them loose
