SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues
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@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kev said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball.
Sanction: Penalty
The whole dangerous play section says penalty. Once that penalty is decided you decide if it warrants more.
To me that was a prime example of why tackles without the ball are considered dangerous. Plus the player was injured to the point that they couldn’t continue.
Deserved more than a penalty IMO@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball.
Sanction: Penalty
The whole dangerous play section says penalty. Once that penalty is decided you decide if it warrants more.
To me that was a prime example of why tackles without the ball are considered dangerous. Plus the player was injured to the point that they couldn’t continue.
Deserved more than a penalty IMOThe injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
Well he ain't going to land that way unless he is hit dangerously off the ball ...
He might land that way if he recklessly runs into a set defender though...
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@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@kev said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball.
Sanction: Penalty
The whole dangerous play section says penalty. Once that penalty is decided you decide if it warrants more.
To me that was a prime example of why tackles without the ball are considered dangerous. Plus the player was injured to the point that they couldn’t continue.
Deserved more than a penalty IMO@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@machpants said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
A player must not tackle an opponent who is not in possession of the ball.
Sanction: Penalty
The whole dangerous play section says penalty. Once that penalty is decided you decide if it warrants more.
To me that was a prime example of why tackles without the ball are considered dangerous. Plus the player was injured to the point that they couldn’t continue.
Deserved more than a penalty IMOThe injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
Well he ain't going to land that way unless he is hit dangerously off the ball ...
He might land that way if he recklessly runs into a set defender though...
I think a penalty was the right punishment. It was a successful dummy run in that he fooled the defender into making the wrong decision. Yeah he got hit, but that is the risk you take. I don't think there was any deliberate foul play from the defender.
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Victor Meldrewreplied to Cantab79 on 26 Apr 2021, 07:02 last edited by Victor Meldrew 26 Apr 2021, 07:03
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
I think it's that sometimes incredibly talented players have attitude problems and some people think the talent outweighs the risks of attitude brain-farts, while other worry it'd cost us points or a game.
A few years back, I wouldn't have wanted Akira anywhere near an AB XV but, all credit to him, he's def. in my 23.
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@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues ** (remember the fat f* sitting in the stand eating a pie?)**, he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
You appear to just be doubling down now. He didn't get selected for the ABs on the back of no form last year. As @Kirwan has mentioned multiple times he was being deliberately held back at the start of last season due to the mental health issues (and quite frankly the overworked he'd been in the previous Blues campaigns). Even this year he hasn't been as bad as you're making out. He was topping the Fern MOTM poll for a few weeks there, and there's no higher authority than that.
But, since you appear to want an extra long run then dust off your videotapes from 2018, he was superb all of that season and Evans (who I'm a big fan of as a Magpies boy) made the ABs instead of him despite not playing as well.
But I guess the tone of the bolded bit means that no matter what he does you'll never give him credit.
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The injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
They red card guys who 'infringe' at contests for the high ball BECAUSE of the way they land not the contact
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@nogusta said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
The injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
They red card guys who 'infringe' at contests for the high ball BECAUSE of the way they land not the contact
There will be a citing this week if it's deemed it should have been a cardable offence won't there?
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@crazy-horse not necessarily...Laumape didnt get cited for what most saw as a RC offence...
ANyone got a clip of the incident, I missed it.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nogusta said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
The injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
They red card guys who 'infringe' at contests for the high ball BECAUSE of the way they land not the contact
There will be a citing this week if it's deemed it should have been a cardable offence won't there?
Only if they deem it meets RC criteria I believe.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nogusta said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
The injury was caused by the way he landed not the contact. Penalty only for me. Unlucky though.
They red card guys who 'infringe' at contests for the high ball BECAUSE of the way they land not the contact
There will be a citing this week if it's deemed it should have been a cardable offence won't there?
I don’t think it is RC material. Just dangerous foul play that took a player out of the game. IMO the ref team got to caught up in whether they thought it was a shoulder charge forgetting that tackling off the ball (especially with force) is dangerous play itself.
Was lucky to just be a penalty but hen if he was YCd I think we would be debating if that was too harsh.
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@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@steven-harris said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
That’s seriously cynical from Taylor ..
After multiple cynical and not too subtle (even though he tried to be) spoils by Taylor was thinking how much he was pissing me off, and how much I'd love him for it when he does it for the ABs.
The three penalties (and possible card for repetitive offensives) don't put you off?
The fact he didn't get mentioned for a card way way before he did speaks volumes for his cloak of invisibility.
To me he seemed to get away with shit without even a penalty that should have earned a card.
And got away with just a penalty that should also have earned a card.
If he gets away with that shit for the ABs I'm loving him.
In the meantime, for the Sith, fluffybunny should be RC'ed
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@taniwharugby said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse not necessarily...Laumape didnt get cited for what most saw as a RC offence...
ANyone got a clip of the incident, I missed it.
Doesn't matter what "most" think. It's what the citing commissioner thinks.
And I don't believe this met an RC threshold, so no citing. But I did think it was worth yellow.
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To be honest, if Sione Havili Talitui was suspended for the final it would probably be doing the Crusdaers a favour. He's a waste of space in the team, notwithstanding that fact that his performance against the Blues was his best in a Crusaders jersey. Tom Sanders to play at 7 please!
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@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
To be honest, if Sione Havili Talitui was suspended for the final it would probably be doing the Crusdaers a favour. He's a waste of space in the team, notwithstanding that fact that his performance against the Blues was his best in a Crusaders jersey. Tom Sanders to play at 7 please!
He's what, third choice at 7? Harsh call
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@booboo said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
To be honest, if Sione Havili Talitui was suspended for the final it would probably be doing the Crusdaers a favour. He's a waste of space in the team, notwithstanding that fact that his performance against the Blues was his best in a Crusaders jersey. Tom Sanders to play at 7 please!
He's what, third choice at 7? Harsh call
2nd choice after Christie.
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I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
That's the thing though eh, doc is there for HIA. Not for players being winded. The "A" stands for....."Nope not even gonna look".
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@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
Welcome to the Fern. Stick around, you will read lots more silly things.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
Welcome to the Fern. Stick around, you will read lots more silly things.
You're welcome.
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@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
That's the thing though eh, doc is there for HIA. Not for players being winded. The "A" stands for....."Nope not even gonna look".
I agree the doctor shouldn't be able to take a player out of the game without taking a look. I wonder what the rules are around that? Did the doctor overstep his mark?
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@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
So you don't think Talea was playing up the injury to get the tackle looked at? None of us will know, but one would have to be naive to say it doesn't happen.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
So you don't think Talea was playing up the injury to get the tackle looked at? None of us will know, but one would have to be naive to say it doesn't happen.
It's certainly possible, but I don't see how that then allows the doc to say he should be removed from play for HIA, without the A, when it's not a head issue. Players stay down for prolonged times often, plenty aren't because of a head knock.
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@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
So you don't think Talea was playing up the injury to get the tackle looked at? None of us will know, but one would have to be naive to say it doesn't happen.
It's certainly possible, but I don't see how that then allows the doc to say he should be removed from play for HIA, without the A, when it's not a head issue. Players stay down for prolonged times often, plenty aren't because of a head knock.
Hopefully if docs keep doing it from now on we may see less soccer style theatrics. Like when Reece looked like he was shot a while ago. The doc could say 'No mate, you looked like you just took a bullet. Off you come".
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
So you don't think Talea was playing up the injury to get the tackle looked at? None of us will know, but one would have to be naive to say it doesn't happen.
It's certainly possible, but I don't see how that then allows the doc to say he should be removed from play for HIA, without the A, when it's not a head issue. Players stay down for prolonged times often, plenty aren't because of a head knock.
Hopefully if docs keep doing it from now on we may see less soccer style theatrics. Like when Reece looked like he was shot a while ago. The doc could say 'No mate, you looked like you just took a bullet. Off you come".
That might be nice, except I think you're ignoring the obvious here - the doc is there for head injury, if he's ordering a player off the field, I can't see any excuse not to assess him. If he's not assessing him then it's not an HIA and he shouldn't pull the player.
Or am I wrong, can the doc pull a player off for any reason?
Teehee
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@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
So you don't think Talea was playing up the injury to get the tackle looked at? None of us will know, but one would have to be naive to say it doesn't happen.
It's certainly possible, but I don't see how that then allows the doc to say he should be removed from play for HIA, without the A, when it's not a head issue. Players stay down for prolonged times often, plenty aren't because of a head knock.
Hopefully if docs keep doing it from now on we may see less soccer style theatrics. Like when Reece looked like he was shot a while ago. The doc could say 'No mate, you looked like you just took a bullet. Off you come".
That might be nice, except I think you're ignoring the obvious here - the doc is there for head injury, if he's ordering a player off the field, I can't see any excuse not to assess him. If he's not assessing him then it's not an HIA and he shouldn't pull the player.
Or am I wrong, can the doc pull a player off for any reason?
Teehee
Now Leon has had a whinge hopefully we will find out if the doc was allowed to do it.
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@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@nepia said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@cantab79 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Does any NZ player divide opinions as much as Akira Ioane? There is something about Akira Ioane, people either love him or hate him. People can watch the same game and see completely different performances. Fwiw I thought he was excellent with ball in hand.
The trouble with Akira is he is usually excellent with ball in hand, but too often not without the ball, when he not on he will make a tackle coming straight at him usually, but as soon as the attack goes 5 meters wide of him he switches off and goes into jog mode. I get impression he was a very good college player who ran over top of people frequently, and was no doubt a star of his team, and maybe got into bad habits with rest of his game. I have seen him play what I consider probly 4 real good games in all the times I have watched him.
It's hard to take you seriously with comments like that.
Ok enlighten me what are all the real good games he has played. He started last year not even getting on bench for Blues (remember the fat f*** sitting in the stand eating a pie?), he had a few good games, one good test, and really hasn't even held his starting spot in Blues this year. Maybe I was being harsh, but you can't say he has in any year played consistently good rugby, why I get so pissed with him, because of his undoubted potential.
I thought he had great impact for the ABs.
"remember the fat f***"
Doesn't sound like you are very impartial.
We have plenty of good 6s available for the ABs, not so many at 8 (come to think of it, is Savea really the best 8 in the country?)
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
So you don't think Talea was playing up the injury to get the tackle looked at? None of us will know, but one would have to be naive to say it doesn't happen.
Bones has dealt with this, but my point is that it is none of the business of the doctor to worry about whether the player is playing up an injury, and even if so I don't see why they would then take a player out of the game - that's effectively a red card for staying down too long after being hit by a tackle off the ball?
Therefore, to your point about whether he was playing it up or not, who gives a fuck? That's the ref's job. He could have penalized him as he saw fit and didn't.
That brings us to the doctor, who as I understand it, has the responsibility to carry out assessments of a player and then can stand them down if they fail that assessment. In this case, it seems that no assessment was made and no rationale for the automatic stand-down given, which seems a bit wrong.
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@gt12 not sure I said or meant to imply the doctor was worrying about Talea playing up an injury. I have no idea why the doctor took him out of the game or if they have the authority. Do you? Hopefully we find out.
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@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
So you don't think Talea was playing up the injury to get the tackle looked at? None of us will know, but one would have to be naive to say it doesn't happen.
Therefore, to your point about whether he was playing it up or not, who gives a fuck? That's the ref's job. He could have penalized him as he saw fit and didn't.
I do and I would say a few people give a fuck about players 'playing it up' judging by some of the reactions to Reece's antics. I'd hate it to become more prevalent. It gets painful enough now.
It's a big call from the Doctor. Surely by stepping in the doctor believed the Blues should not have let Talea play on. Someone didn't do their job properly.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 not sure I said or meant to imply the doctor was worrying about Talea playing up an injury. I have no idea why the doctor took him out of the game or if they have the authority. Do you? Hopefully we find out.
I suspect that the Dr can do that under the head injury protocols. Instead of ordering an HIA if the Dr thinks there was a concussion they can remove the player from the game. Ref can do that too.
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Re-read the Stuff story and reckon it comes down to short man's syndrome:
“There was plenty of comms from us, just a stubbiness to listen, just an absolute refusal to listen.
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@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Instead of ordering an HIA if the Dr thinks there was a concussion they can remove the player from the game.
So it is a head injury "assumption" not "assessment". I had that wrong.
Sounds like this Dr has redefined the protocols.Seeing as some are doing conspiracy theories about milking a card - I wonder if the Dr is a Crusaders fan?
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@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Instead of ordering an HIA if the Dr thinks there was a concussion they can remove the player from the game.
So it is a head injury "assumption" not "assessment". I had that wrong.
Sounds like this Dr has redefined the protocols.Seeing as some are doing conspiracy theories about milking a card - I wonder if the Dr is a Crusaders fan?
I think it is part of the protocol. Eg if the doc sees a player KO’d then they can say “no more”. HIA is for when there is a question over whether the player should continue.
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The other bit that I don't think has been mentioned:
The Blues obviously thought that it was HIA related otherwise they wouldn't have sent Gibson back on after he was subbed. They must know those rules, but were told that they couldn't have him on the park so down to 14. Happened to Crusaders a while back too against the Reds I think. Mo and Hunt. They finished with 14 but might have used all of their subs by then.
Have I got that wrong in this case? Or did the officials? If it was HI replacement that was legit to put Gibson on. Is the below out of date?
Law 3.33 TACTICAL REPLACEMENTS JOINING THE MATCH
Tactically replaced players may return to play only when replacing:
a. An injured front-row player.
b. A player with a blood injury.
c. A player undertaking an HIA.
d. A player who has just been injured as a result of foul play (as verified by the match officials).
e. The nominated player described in Law 3.19 or 3.20. [This refers to front row players, which is not applicable in the incident under discussion.]The officials were talking about "e" or Law 3.19 or 3.20 when they sent Gibson off the field saying that he wasn't front row. So they obviously didn't think it as HI that they sent Gibson off, or they got it wrong under "c".
Could argue that they got it wrong under "d" as well they penalised for the foul play that caused the injury - even if it wasn't a card - it was what caused the injury.
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@crucial said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think it is part of the protocol. Eg if the doc sees a player KO’d then they can say “no more”.
Sure, then why was a Blues player sent off?
I must have had this wrong previously.
So a player can be replaced only while undergoing HIA.
A player that has failed an HIA, not necessarily in this case, the replacement must leave the field. If all subs are used you are down to 14.Well if you ever wanted to create a law that encouraged teams and players to hide a possible HI that should do it. Probably only happen late in the game when tactical subs are depleted, but still.
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@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@bones said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
So you don't think Talea was playing up the injury to get the tackle looked at? None of us will know, but one would have to be naive to say it doesn't happen.
It's certainly possible, but I don't see how that then allows the doc to say he should be removed from play for HIA, without the A, when it's not a head issue. Players stay down for prolonged times often, plenty aren't because of a head knock.
Hopefully if docs keep doing it from now on we may see less soccer style theatrics. Like when Reece looked like he was shot a while ago. The doc could say 'No mate, you looked like you just took a bullet. Off you come".
That might be nice, except I think you're ignoring the obvious here - the doc is there for head injury, if he's ordering a player off the field, I can't see any excuse not to assess him. If he's not assessing him then it's not an HIA and he shouldn't pull the player.
Or am I wrong, can the doc pull a player off for any reason?
Teehee
Someone behaving like Reece obviously had a head injury to be such a soccer twat, needs to come off, doc.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
I think the interesting issue around the off the ball tackle is that the doctor wouldn't allow Talea to carry on even without looking at him. I don't recall that happening before.
To me, if a player stays down that long, the doctor has good case to assume there may be more serious injuries in play. I assume he didn't qualify for an HIA because there was no head knock.
My personal take -the Blues fucked up. They milked the injury a little too long and it backfired.
This is one of the sillier things I've read on this forum.
If a player is winded, they sit up when they sit up, they get their wind back when they get their wind back.
If the ref thinks a player is milking it, that's a penalty offence and can be dealt with appropriately.
If a doctor is randomly taking guys of the park but not HIA-ing them, that's a problem.
So you don't think Talea was playing up the injury to get the tackle looked at? None of us will know, but one would have to be naive to say it doesn't happen.
Well Tele’a certainly isn't Reece...
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A lot to read through here and I didn't get to watch the game, but I'm watching the breakdown and I'm wondering how there wasn't a card for Tele'a being taken out off the ball?
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@snowy said in SRA Round 9: Crusaders v Blues:
Seeing as some are doing conspiracy theories about milking a card - I wonder if the Dr is a Crusaders fan?
Not our fault if the Blues assume that @Canerbry wearing a white coat is a doctor.
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