2021 Wallabies
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@tordah said in 2021 Wallabies:
Anyone know whether Skelton has improved up north? Last I remember was he was a useless lump of meat at the Waratahs, who couldn't utilise his large frame effectively.
Fucking massively. One of the best players in English Premiership
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@tordah said in 2021 Wallabies:
Anyone know whether Skelton has improved up north? Last I remember was he was a useless lump of meat at the Waratahs, who couldn't utilise his large frame effectively.
Ge has slimmed down a fair bit too. Not to the point that he isn't huge, just gotten rid of the extra fat
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@bobily2 said in 2021 Wallabies:
@tordah said in 2021 Wallabies:
Anyone know whether Skelton has improved up north? Last I remember was he was a useless lump of meat at the Waratahs, who couldn't utilise his large frame effectively.
Ge has slimmed down a fair bit too. Not to the point that he isn't huge, just gotten rid of the extra fat
2017 to 2018 comparisonsmall fry, compare to his much bigger brother
God save us.
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@nostrildamus said in 2021 Wallabies:
@bobily2 said in 2021 Wallabies:
@tordah said in 2021 Wallabies:
Anyone know whether Skelton has improved up north? Last I remember was he was a useless lump of meat at the Waratahs, who couldn't utilise his large frame effectively.
Ge has slimmed down a fair bit too. Not to the point that he isn't huge, just gotten rid of the extra fat
2017 to 2018 comparisonsmall fry, compare to his much bigger brother
God save us.
Yup. A fairly ineffective Counties club player for awhile. Watched him for Samoa U20s and he was mostly just a liability. Gave up lots of penalties. However there was one time he pushed back 4 or 5 players in a rolling maul on his own
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A few days ago, Antoine Dupont was named best player of the Top 14. Do you know who came second ? Will Skelton. He's been outstanding for La Rochelle. He and Rory Arnold were the best locks in the Top 14 in 2020. Both are much better than Philipp, Swain and Rodda.
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@machpants said in 2021 Wallabies:
@tordah said in 2021 Wallabies:
Anyone know whether Skelton has improved up north? Last I remember was he was a useless lump of meat at the Waratahs, who couldn't utilise his large frame effectively.
Fucking massively. One of the best players in English Premiership
Much better once he lost two stone.
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@tordah I think it's harsh to suggest he was a 'useless lump' before he left. He was a fairly important part of the title winning Waratah's side.
He struggled with mental health issues and moving to a more disciplined environment at Saracens apparently helped him sort his fitness out, become more effective in the lineout and reach another level.
He's since won a bunch of titles with Saracens and was a runner up in both France and Europe with La Rochelle.
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@nta said in 2021 Wallabies:
@derpus said in 2021 Wallabies:
He struggled with mental health issues and moving
to a more disciplined environmentaway from KFCFixed.
I could be wildly wrong, but it seemed the Tahs were enamoured of his size and perhaps there wasn't the emphasis to get slimmer to be more mobile and have more involvements. 140kg is a hell of a lot to cart around a professional football field.
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@antipodean said in 2021 Wallabies:
@nta said in 2021 Wallabies:
@derpus said in 2021 Wallabies:
He struggled with mental health issues and moving
to a more disciplined environmentaway from KFCFixed.
I could be wildly wrong, but it seemed the Tahs were enamoured of his size and perhaps there wasn't the emphasis to get slimmer to be more mobile and have more involvements. 140kg is a hell of a lot to cart around a professional football field.
I don't think you're wrong at all, but reckon it extends further: the Tahs were enamoured of not trying to actually achieve anything that couldn't be achieved by just sitting on their arses hoping everything would work out.
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Plenty of players have been good/average in NZ environment to smashing out very successful careers in the NH where the approach is different. Skelton just another in a long line really.
A player like that was always going to need to be managed carefully to get the best out. Doesn't mean the NH system is better/worse, just that they are better suited to getting the best out of somebody like him.
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@nta said in 2021 Wallabies:
@derpus said in 2021 Wallabies:
He struggled with mental health issues and moving
to a more disciplined environmentaway from KFCFixed.
You’re such a fat shamer.
….and that’s why I liked your post.
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@nta said in 2021 Wallabies:
@antipodean said in 2021 Wallabies:
@nta said in 2021 Wallabies:
@derpus said in 2021 Wallabies:
He struggled with mental health issues and moving
to a more disciplined environmentaway from KFCFixed.
I could be wildly wrong, but it seemed the Tahs were enamoured of his size and perhaps there wasn't the emphasis to get slimmer to be more mobile and have more involvements. 140kg is a hell of a lot to cart around a professional football field.
I don't think you're wrong at all, but reckon it extends further: the Tahs were enamoured of not trying to actually achieve anything that couldn't be achieved by just sitting on their arses hoping everything would work out.
Well that would explain Sydney city planning...
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It'd be good to see such innovations/targeted tactics that work from our stale coaching set up...
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/10/20/how-dave-rennies-wallabies-are-pushing-the-limits-in-contact/
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@machpants said in 2021 Wallabies:
It'd be good to see such innovations/targeted tactics that work from our stale coaching set up...
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/10/20/how-dave-rennies-wallabies-are-pushing-the-limits-in-contact/
Good article but Rennie's 'innovations' only last as long as a complaint from a whinging team to WR (eg England after the Italy game.
It is quite obvious that the tactic of players in front of the ball at the ruck then moving forward and creating a split in the defence is only working because refs aren't looking for it. Those players are offside when the halfback plays the ball and should not move forward until placed onside.
The other good coaching at the breakdown shown is good coaching.
Cameron Skelton - Wikipedia
