Blues v Crusaders
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@williethewaiter The problem with Eklund's action is that it was a tip tackle to the extreme (almost a complete flip) which could have had very serious consequences if Reece had landed differently (something Eklund didn't really have control over). Not sure, but I also think Reece didn't have the ball, so it was a tackle off the ball as well?
I doubt he'll get suspended for it, however, because you'd have to think that the fact that - despite his theatrics - Reece didn't land on his head/neck area or back, didn't get injured and it all happened quite close to the ground, there are enough reasons to acquit him. If not, then a low-end entry point (6 weeks) could mean a 3 week-suspension if all mitigating factors lead to a 50% deduction.
Ofa is in much more trouble if first contact was indeed with the head. Ofa doesn't have a clean record, with his most recent incident being a red card during the 2020 Tri-Nations, also for a shoulder hit against the head. If the citing is upheld, he'll never get 50% reduction and could even get a week added to his suspension, so could end up with a ban of somewhere between 4 and 6 weeks.
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@stargazer re: Ofa, learn a lesson son.
just on your first one, it's still weird to me that something could be a "he very well might get off, otherwise it's 3 weeks". It's such a strange way to grade.
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@mariner4life said in Blues v Crusaders:
just on your first one, it's still weird to me that something could be a "he very well might get off, otherwise it's 3 weeks". It's such a strange way to grade.
No, it's not strange at all if you know how these procedures work.
The first point is about meeting the elements of the offence (was it a dangerous tackle). If the elements of the offence aren't met and it wasn't a dangerous tackle, he'll be acquitted.If it was a dangerous tackle (not acquitted), then you come to the part of the punishment, which is determined in part by the seriousness of the offending, consequences and intent, which affect the entry point: low, mid-range or high. When they have established the entry point, they can have a look at mitigating and aggravating factors. This is a pretty standard procedure.
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@stargazer said in Blues v Crusaders:
@mariner4life said in Blues v Crusaders:
just on your first one, it's still weird to me that something could be a "he very well might get off, otherwise it's 3 weeks". It's such a strange way to grade.
No, it's not strange at all if you know how these procedures work.
The first point is about meeting the elements of the offence (was it a dangerous tackle). If the elements of the offence aren't met and it wasn't a dangerous tackle, he'll be acquitted.If it was a dangerous tackle (not acquitted), then you come to the part of the punishment, which is determined in part by the seriousness of the offending, consequences and intent, which affect the entry point: low, mid-range or high. When they have established the entry point, they can have a look at mitigating and aggravating factors. This is a pretty standard procedure.
thanks for the condescension, i understand the process
however i spend a lot of time watching NRL and AFL, where the discussion at that level is either get off, fine, or a week. To go from off to 3 weeks seems weird, to me.
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@mariner4life Sorry, if it came across as condescending. It wasn't meant that way. A lot of people do not understand the process. My bad that I wanted to explain it unnecessarily.
Edited to add that I do not think it's weird at all as it has to do with the seriousness of the offence, but I'll refrain from explaining that.
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@stargazer said in Blues v Crusaders:
@mariner4life Sorry, if it came across as condescending. It wasn't meant that way. A lot of people do not understand the process. My bad that I wanted to explain it unnecessarily.
yeah no worries.
To be honest i don't think rugby gets it any more "wrong" than those other sports, i think there are flaws in every system. The AFL one should be black and white but it is not. And waaaay to reliant on outcome. The NRL one is just all over the shop.
At least with rugby you can see a reasoning, even if i disagree with it a huge amount of the time.
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@stargazer said in Blues v Crusaders:
seriousness of the offence
this is my point, and i'll repeat, purely my opinion
a tackle gone wrong shouldn't start at 3 weeks just because of what it was. If it was clumsy and no one got hurt, take a week. If it was malicious and someone got hurt, take 6 weeks.
And stop halving the fucking suspension because he said sorry, even when it's his 4th suspension for the same thing!
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@akan004 said in Blues v Crusaders:
Have to wonder if people even bother to watch the game.
Contentious opinion: People see some flashy stuff towards the end of the game when players are tired and remember that. Yet hard work shifting bodies, ruck leaning etc. goes relatively unnoticed. I like to call it the Ardie effect.
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Fuck you have to wonder what casual rugby fans are really watching. This is why it pisses me off when every dickhead on facebook says Lmaomape should be in the AB's. They do one thing and they're the best? That was arguably Hoskins' worst game in the Blue jersey, he scored a great try but other than that he was mediocre.
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@yeetyaah said in Blues v Crusaders:
Fuck you have to wonder what casual rugby fans are really watching. This is why it pisses me off when every dickhead on facebook says Lmaomape should be in the AB's. They do one thing and they're the best. That was Hoskins' worst game in the Blue jersey, he scored a great try but other than that he was mediocre.
Yep totally agree
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@yeetyaah said in Blues v Crusaders:
Fuck you have to wonder what casual rugby fans are really watching. This is why it pisses me off when every dickhead on facebook says Lmaomape should be in the AB's. They do one thing and they're the best? That was Hoskins' worst game in the Blue jersey, he scored a great try but other than that he was mediocre.
Yeah, he might need to be rotated a bit to freshen up. I was please to see Akira off after an hour for the same reason.
Previous years we would grind players into dust. Need to trust the squad, just look how well Robinson went.
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@kirwan said in Blues v Crusaders:
Previous years we would grind players into dust. Need to trust the squad, just look how well Robinson went.
The depth is so much better than previous years too, though. You can do that.
Tana relied on Ioane R+A to save his blushes, and played them into the ground
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@kirwan said in Blues v Crusaders:
@yeetyaah said in Blues v Crusaders:
Fuck you have to wonder what casual rugby fans are really watching. This is why it pisses me off when every dickhead on facebook says Lmaomape should be in the AB's. They do one thing and they're the best? That was Hoskins' worst game in the Blue jersey, he scored a great try but other than that he was mediocre.
Yeah, he might need to be rotated a bit to freshen up. I was please to see Akira off after an hour for the same reason.
Previous years we would grind players into dust. Need to trust the squad, just look how well Robinson went.
in saying that the Crusaders have mostly used the same 23 for 4 games in a Row.
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@chris said in Blues v Crusaders:
@kirwan said in Blues v Crusaders:
@yeetyaah said in Blues v Crusaders:
Fuck you have to wonder what casual rugby fans are really watching. This is why it pisses me off when every dickhead on facebook says Lmaomape should be in the AB's. They do one thing and they're the best? That was Hoskins' worst game in the Blue jersey, he scored a great try but other than that he was mediocre.
Yeah, he might need to be rotated a bit to freshen up. I was please to see Akira off after an hour for the same reason.
Previous years we would grind players into dust. Need to trust the squad, just look how well Robinson went.
in saying that the Crusaders have mostly used the same 23 for 4 games in a Row.
Sure a couple of injury enforced changes but pretty close to the same 23 especially in the forward pack.I think it's clear they'll target the Canes to give their squad a rest.
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@antipodean said in Blues v Crusaders:
@chris said in Blues v Crusaders:
@kirwan said in Blues v Crusaders:
@yeetyaah said in Blues v Crusaders:
Fuck you have to wonder what casual rugby fans are really watching. This is why it pisses me off when every dickhead on facebook says Lmaomape should be in the AB's. They do one thing and they're the best? That was Hoskins' worst game in the Blue jersey, he scored a great try but other than that he was mediocre.
Yeah, he might need to be rotated a bit to freshen up. I was please to see Akira off after an hour for the same reason.
Previous years we would grind players into dust. Need to trust the squad, just look how well Robinson went.
in saying that the Crusaders have mostly used the same 23 for 4 games in a Row.
Sure a couple of injury enforced changes but pretty close to the same 23 especially in the forward pack.I think it's clear they'll target the Canes to give their squad a rest.
Could do they have a bye this week so they will get a rest.The Crusaders have the 7 days off back to training next Monday.
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@chris-b said in Blues v Crusaders:
@mariner4life A degree of truth to that, but it's easy for you and I to say.
There's probably quite a few ferners I wouldn't want to see in charge of the job - possibly including me!
I know a guy that posts an AB squad from time to time. Even got read receipt emails from Steve too...
